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richaceg

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Which Hamas actually offered. Hamas offered to return hostages on the 9th or 10th of October, in return for no war. Bibi rejected it. Because he needed the war to save his ass and placate the ultra right wing he is in bed with, whose support he needs to stay in power.

So you are once again wrong on that.

‘No doubt’ Netanyahu preventing hostage deal, charges ex-spokesman of Families Forum

“We later found out that Hamas had offered on October 9 or 10 to release all the civilian hostages in exchange for the IDF not entering the Strip, but the government rejected the offer.”

That comment was by Haim Rubinstein, the Israeli spokesperson for the families of the hostages, until April 2024.

As I said Rich, never let facts get in the way of your BS.
see what type of bullshitter you really are? You think, killing 1200 civilians a terrorist act, would result into, a return of hostages and everything will be alright...wrong...Israel wanted the engineers for the attack and return of the hostages. I'm glad you really expose yourself as a Hamas/terrorist supporter... must be nice to live in the world you dream of where murderers roam free as long as they release a few hostages...Bibi will answer to the citizens once election happens...who does Hamas answer to?
 

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So then you admit this entire war has nothing to do with hostages or their release. Yes?

And just incase it has to be explained to you Rich, when someone takes hostages they want something in return. Typically hostage taking does not involve an unconditional return of hostages because that kinda defeats the purpose. So Israel can only have one or the other. Not both.
Here's a fact for you...the Hamas Doctrine
Hamas is an Arabic acronym for the Islamic Resistance Movement. It has called on members of the other two Abrahamic faiths—Judaism and Christianity—to accept Islamic rule in the Middle East. “It is the duty of the followers of other religions to stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region, because the day these followers should take over there will be nothing but carnage, displacement and terror,” it decreed. Hamas also rejected any prospect of peace or coexistence with the state of Israel. “Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with.”
in one moment calling for liberation of all the lands that were part of historic Palestine and in another moment claiming Hamas could live alongside another state based on the 1967 borders, when Israel seized Gaza from Egypt. In December 2012, Khaled Mashaal, a leader in exile, reflected the traditional Hamas hardline, “The state will come from resistance, not negotiation. Liberation first, then statehood. Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north,” he said in a speech. “There will be no concession on any inch of the land. We will never recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation, and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel… We will free Jerusalem inch by inch, stone by stone. Israel has no right to be in Jerusalem.”

Your ultimate wet dream promise from your neighborhood terrorists...an Israel free Palestine... I really wonder where they will put the jews once they achieve rhe lands from river to see, north to south....
 
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Frankfooter

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I'm not exactly what these short quips are actually.

If one surmises who is poorly educated, it is the student protesters who have come to believe they are part of some Marxist struggle.
How is the struggle for a free Palestine 'Marxist'?
 

Frankfooter

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All this time Frankfooter has denied that his posts are about the Jews and only about Israel. Thanks for confirming its all about the Jews. (y)

Like nobody knew
Ew, you think that asswipe represents the Jewish people?
That's sick.

That asshat is just a religious extremist, a genocidal zionist.
 

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Here's a fact for you...the Hamas Doctrine
“The state will come from resistance, not negotiation. Liberation first, then statehood. Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north,” he said in a speech. “There will be no concession on any inch of the land. We will never recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation, and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel… We will free Jerusalem inch by inch, stone by stone. Israel has no right to be in Jerusalem.”
Every accusation is a confession.

Israel wiped Palestine off the maps, from river to sea.
Somehow you think that's fine but are against the occupied indigenous people resisting the illegal occupation.

Why hasn't Israel ever ended the occupation and allowed Palestine to be free?

If you want peace, end the occupation, the genocide and apartheid.
 

Conil

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Ew, you think that asswipe represents the Jewish people?
That's sick.

That asshat is just a religious extremist, a genocidal zionist.
Too late for that, you posted it several times, just proves you're driven by Jew hatred.

But that's nothing new, you just confirmed it.
 

Conil

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Its about Jewish hatred all along. Hopefully they'll be deported.

Florida student openly admits to being 'anti-Jewish' at panel event

An exclusive video from a student senate meeting calling at Florida State University, in which a student speaker admits to being “anti-Jewish,” was published by Israel War Room this week. The video clip, which was taken in February but only just released, shows a panel of six students debating whether a ceasefire motion should be passed.

The short clip shows the student saying, "And every single protest that we have, our actions have had counter-protesters, and there is never any backlash and never police protecting us. In fact, our police are directly protecting counter-protesters even at our events.”

“So I want to ask you all, is Palestinian life not worth mourning? And we, as Arab, Palestinian, Muslim, and anti-Jewish students, are we not worth protecting?”

The video went viral on various social media platforms, with people commenting their shock at the student's statements. Many commenters on Instagram mentioned the revealing nature of her “slip of the tongue”; however, others noted that the speaker appeared to be reading, suggesting the comment was intentional.

One comment on the video on X from Nakba Nancy states: “I think everyone knew we meant 'Jew' whenever we said 'Zionist' anyway.”

The agenda of the senate meeting shows resolutions such as “This is the first genocide where people praise the oppressor and hate towards the victim. Something needs to change.”

The pro-Palestine groups later published a post on Instagram stating that the motion had not passed and that it had been “killed” by the SGA.

Universities across the US have been experiencing tense scenes of protests and clashes in relation to the Israel-Hamas war.

 
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Frankfooter

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Too late for that, you posted it several times, just proves you're driven by Jew hatred.

But that's nothing new, you just confirmed it.
You're the only one who thinks that guy represents anything more that wacko, religious zionists.
Go check out the IJVCanada site and tell me you think that guy has anything to do with them.
 

Conil

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You're the only one who thinks that guy represents anything more that wacko, religious zionists.
Go check out the IJVCanada site and tell me you think that guy has anything to do with them.
Keep trolling, the question is not if the guy is a wacko which he is, but you used the post for antisemitic purposes.
 

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“So I want to ask you all, is Palestinian life not worth mourning? And we, as Arab, Palestinian, Muslim, and anti-Jewish students, are we not worth protecting?”
I am not big on theology but maybe someone can explain: isn’t it better for a Muslim child to be killed by enemies as young as possible? Doesn’t it guarantee going to heaven forever? Who knows what happens if the child grows up? What if he marries a Jew or a Christian or something and becomes an apostate? Then the child is fucked!
 

Frankfooter

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Keep trolling, the question is not if the guy is a wacko which he is, but you used the post for antisemitic purposes.
By comparing that one person to shack?

Its pretty easy to show where the racism, lies here.

Conil, do Palestinians have full human rights?
Do they have the right to self defence?
yes or no?
 

Frankfooter

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I am not big on theology but maybe someone can explain: isn’t it better for a Muslim child to be killed by enemies as young as possible? Doesn’t it guarantee going to heaven forever? Who knows what happens if the child grows up? What if he marries a Jew or a Christian or something and becomes an apostate? Then the child is fucked!
No wonder zionists are now this popular.
 

Frankfooter

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Stop deflecting and answer the question I asked. Given Bibi turned down the offer to return hostages, this entire war has nothing to do with hostage release. Yes? It has everything to do with collective punishment of the Palestinians. Yes?

And just to answer your unrelated deflection:

Here is the excerpt from the actual Hamas Doctrine, that is the current and only relevant version.
  • Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
  • Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage.
This thread is worth a read.
 

richaceg

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Stop deflecting and answer the question I asked. Given Bibi turned down the offer to return hostages, this entire war has nothing to do with hostage release. Yes? It has everything to do with collective punishment of the Palestinians. Yes?

And just to answer your unrelated deflection:

Here is the excerpt from the actual Hamas Doctrine, that is the current and only relevant version.
  • Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
  • Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage.
I answered your questions clearly, you're playing dumb or just plain dumb to think I'd bite...hamas attacks and ask for ceasefire? Lol...give me a fucking break...you can't be that stupid to fall for that
Israel was clear as to what they wanted. Release the hostages and held those responsible foe the attacks accountable
But wait while there was ongoing talks of hamas asking for ceasefire...they were firing rockets...LOL...I think Franky would be glad to go back to grade 8 with a friend... 😆
 

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And just incase it has to be explained to you Rich, when someone takes hostages they want something in return. Typically hostage taking does not involve an unconditional return of hostages because that kinda defeats the purpose. So Israel can only have one or the other. Not both.
There you have it. Anytime you want something, just go get yourself some hostages. People are obligated to give you something back because that's the whole purpose.

Terrorism 101 according to ToKillya.
 
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