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And just incase it has to be explained to you Rich, when someone takes hostages they want something in return. Typically hostage taking does not involve an unconditional return of hostages because that kinda defeats the purpose. So Israel can only have one or the other. Not both.
There you have it. Anytime you want something, just go get yourself some hostages. People are obligated to give you something back because that's the whole purpose.

Terrorism 101 according to ToKillya.
 

Kautilya

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I answered your questions clearly, you're playing dumb or just plain dumb to think I'd bite...hamas attacks and ask for ceasefire? Lol...give me a fucking break...you can't be that stupid to fall for that
Israel was clear as to what they wanted. Release the hostages and held those responsible foe the attacks accountable
But wait while there was ongoing talks of hamas asking for ceasefire...they were firing rockets...LOL...I think Franky would be glad to go back to grade 8 with a friend... 😆
So that is what am asking you - Israel can only have one realistically. Either they can have the hostages back, or they can have the opportunity to genocide Palestinians as collective punishment.

Since Israel chose genocide over their hostages, it is reasonable to conclude that this war was NEVER about hostages, that they dont care about the hostages and the hostages are just a crutch and you admit that. Yes? Especially in light of Israel's own hostage spokesperson saying this. Yes? Answer without deflecting and tryna weasel out of this. Put your foot down. You admit this, yes?
There you have it. Anytime you want something, just go get yourself some hostages. People are obligated to give you something back because that's the whole purpose.

Terrorism 101 according to ToKillya.
Yes. It is terrorism to take hostages. So you cannot expect terrorists to return hostages for nothing in return. That is unrealistic to expect and such expectations are devoid of common sense.
 
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How is the struggle for a free Palestine 'Marxist'?
It is the support of the Pali terrorists and the intent to disrupt or even overthrow western society that is Marxist.
 
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I answered your questions clearly, you're playing dumb or just plain dumb to think I'd bite...hamas attacks and ask for ceasefire? Lol...give me a fucking break...you can't be that stupid to fall for that
Israel was clear as to what they wanted. Release the hostages and held those responsible foe the attacks accountable
But wait while there was ongoing talks of hamas asking for ceasefire...they were firing rockets...LOL...I think Franky would be glad to go back to grade 8 with a friend... 😆
Hamas offered a ceasefire and return of the hostages, Israel refused.
Now Israel is trying to export their police state tactics everwhere.
 
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It is the support of the Pali terrorists and the intent to disrupt or even overthrow western society that is Marxist.
Neither is Israel western society nor is anyone trying to overthrow them. This is a false narrative.
 

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So that is what am asking you - Israel can only have one realistically. Either they can have the hostages back, or they can have the opportunity to genocide Palestinians as collective punishment.

Since Israel chose genocide over their hostages, it is reasonable to conclude that this war was NEVER about hostages, that they dont care about the hostages and the hostages are just a crutch and you admit that. Yes? Especially in light of Israel's own hostage spokesperson saying this. Yes? Answer without deflecting and tryna weasel out of this. Put your foot down. You admit this, yes?

Yes. It is terrorism to take hostages. So you cannot expect terrorists to return hostages for nothing in return. That is unrealistic to expect and such expectations are devoid of common sense.
Wrong...hamas had no plans to release the hostages and it has now more than 6 months...6 months of war and Gaza is inruins and what has hamas done? Not a single thing to ease the pain of the Palestinians...the pity party has lapsed...protests in colleges are starting to dissipate...Iran backed off...Gaza isnin ruins...foreign aide are now going into Gaza...soon Palestinians will r3alize hamas is the problem...they are terrorists and have no loyalty.
 
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Wrong...hamas had no plans to release the hostages and it has now more than 6 months...6 months of war and Gaza is inruins and what has hamas done? Not a single thing to ease the pain of the Palestinians...the pity party has lapsed...protests in colleges are starting to dissipate...Iran backed off...Gaza isnin ruins...foreign aide are now going into Gaza...soon Palestinians will r3alize hamas is the problem...they are terrorists and have no loyalty.
I will repeat my question. I asked, that since Israel chose genocide over their own hostages, the hostages were not very important to them. Yes? You admit that the hostages were merely a crutch to continue the genocide. Yes?
 

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I will repeat my question. I asked, that since Israel chose genocide over their own hostages, the hostages were not very important to them. Yes? You admit that the hostages were merely a crutch to continue the genocide. Yes?
When did Israel choose genocide? There are aides going into Gaza and I see civilians s getting aide...you can keep fantasizing about genocide...there is war going on in Gaza... too dumb to notice?
 

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When did Israel choose genocide? There are aides going into Gaza and I see civilians s getting aide...you can keep fantasizing about genocide...there is war going on in Gaza... too dumb to notice?
Did you forget the 35000 dead people who were deliberately and indiscriminately targeted? Did you forget food, water, electricity etc that Israel had cut off till now? Did you forget Israeli authorities and politicians calling for genocide? Did you forget the UN special report that called Israeli actions genocide? Or the ICJ ruling of genocidal intent and plausible genocide? Did you forget that ultra right wing protestors have blockaded aide going into Gaza? Did you forget that none of this aid absolves Israel's genocide?

And did you forget to answer my question?
 

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You are really weird.

You think this represents western values?
I think that supporting terrorists who hate the west (we are the infidels) makes you a revolutionary Marxist. Your political views are so far to the left, this is not hyperbole. I am quite left of centre but you make me look like a founding member of the John Birch society.
 

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Yes. It is terrorism to take hostages. So you cannot expect terrorists to return hostages for nothing in return. That is unrealistic to expect and such expectations are devoid of common sense.
Yes it is terrorism and according to you that terrorism should be reinforced by giving into their demands. Your tactics ensure that the amount of terrorism will grow exponentially.

Any world/national leader says "We will NOT give into the demands of terrorists." You say that they are all wrong to make such a declaration, instead of saying, "We're going all Dirty Harry on you." if you don't release the hostages.
 

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Yes it is terrorism and according to you that terrorism should be reinforced by giving into their demands. Your tactics ensure that the amount of terrorism will grow exponentially.

Any world/national leader says "We will NOT give into the demands of terrorists." You say that they are all wrong to make such a declaration, instead of saying, "We're going all Dirty Harry on you." if you don't release the hostages.
So that is what am saying. Terrorists or not they have your people. So you choose ONE of the two based on your priorities. Hostages or Genocide. Reviewing the last 8 months it has become clear that the only time Israel was able to get hostages released was when they negotiated.

So "going dirty harry" and genociding the civilians in Gaza both as an act of collective punishment and placating the ultra right in order to save his own ass was priority number 1 for Bibi. Hostages were just a crutch. That is a reasonable conclusion that not just I but even the Israeli spokesperson of the hostages, Haim Rubinstein has come to.
 

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Wrong...hamas had no plans to release the hostages and it has now more than 6 months...6 months of war and Gaza is inruins and what has hamas done? Not a single thing to ease the pain of the Palestinians...the pity party has lapsed...protests in colleges are starting to dissipate...Iran backed off...Gaza isnin ruins...foreign aide are now going into Gaza...soon Palestinians will r3alize hamas is the problem...they are terrorists and have no loyalty.
You're lying, rich.
Israel held a truce in Dec and Hamas released hostages as part of that agreement.
All that has to happen is a ceasefire and they will be released.
Israel chose genocide instead.

 

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I think that supporting terrorists who hate the west (we are the infidels) makes you a revolutionary Marxist. Your political views are so far to the left, this is not hyperbole. I am quite left of centre but you make me look like a founding member of the John Birch society.
You are really, really weird.
57% of Biden supporters say Israel is committing genocide.
rump will win because of AIPAC

 

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Did you forget the 35000 dead people who were deliberately and indiscriminately targeted? Did you forget food, water, electricity etc that Israel had cut off till now? Did you forget Israeli authorities and politicians calling for genocide? Did you forget the UN special report that called Israeli actions genocide? Or the ICJ ruling of genocidal intent and plausible genocide? Did you forget that ultra right wing protestors have blockaded aide going into Gaza? Did you forget that none of this aid absolves Israel's genocide?

And did you forget to answer my question?
your question is bullshit...35000 "deliberately" ? they were deliberately put to risk when Hamas went full retard...did you forget about that? There was no ICJ ruling of genocide... "plausible" is such a play on words...keep sticking to it and hope that shit sticks....grasping for straws...lol how stupid can you get? Israel isn't asking absolution you idiot...they are showing you proof genocide isn't happening...otherwise in war they don't need to allow aide throgh their channel...
 

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your question is bullshit...35000 "deliberately" ? they were deliberately put to risk when Hamas went full retard...did you forget about that? There was no ICJ ruling of genocide... "plausible" is such a play on words...keep sticking to it and hope that shit sticks....grasping for straws...lol how stupid can you get? Israel isn't asking absolution you idiot...they are showing you proof genocide isn't happening...otherwise in war they don't need to allow aide throgh their channel...
Aid my ass. They cut off food, water, electricity for 7 months. They deliberately targeted and killed aid workers from the WCK. Now after the US threw a fit, they are allowing aid trucks because they dont have a choice. Destroyed hospitals, schools, places of worship and literally razed Gaza to the ground. Deliberately targeted and killed 35,000 people, 10,000 buried under the rubble, 80K injured or maimed, with their politicians screaming for ALL Palestinians to be killed, which is intent to commit genocide. Which is what the UN special report and the ICJ verdict clearly lay out. So go try that half baked nonsense elsewhere.

But this is a digression.

I asked you a simple question. Israel had the choice to negotiate for hostage release, or genocide the Palestinians. Israel chose to genocide and rejected the hostage release. Which means hostages are not their priority, and they simply use hostages for propaganda purposes. You admit to this. Yes? Stop bobbing and weaving. Directly answer it.
 
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Aid my ass. They cut off food, water, electricity for 7 months. They deliberately targeted and killed aid workers from the WCK. Now after the US threw a fit, they are allowing aid trucks because they dont have a choice. Destroyed hospitals, schools, places of worship and literally razed Gaza to the ground. Deliberately targeted and killed 35,000 people, 10,000 buried under the rubble, 80K injured or maimed, with their politicians screaming for ALL Palestinians to be killed, which is intent to commit genocide. Which is what the UN special report and the ICJ verdict clearly lay out. So go try that half baked nonsense elsewhere.

But this is a digression.

I asked you a simple question. Israel had the choice to negotiate for hostage release, or genocide the Palestinians. Israel chose to genocide and rejected the hostage release. Which means hostages are not their priority, and they simply use hostages for propaganda purposes. You admit to this. Yes? Stop bobbing and weaving. Directly answer it.
Wrong...Israel asked more than just release of hostages...they want the heads of the Hamas leaders... you're too dumb to understand there will never be ceasefire after the release of hostages because Hamas vowed to repeat Oct 7... the release of hostages is to buy Hamas time to re arm, after the ass kicking they got...go back to school, study hard...then we can talk more.
 
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