Chinese lab playing around with Ebola virus

Valcazar

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I should have been more specific. I'm against labs playing around with dangerous viruses (like Ebola or Marburg).
Obviously creating flu vaccines has been shown to be safe
Ok then.
So you are presumably fine with the research being done on H5N1 ?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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No.
They are quite pro-science, talking about the serious issues involved in lab safety.
You are saying no one should study vaccines and also "Uh oh, it's the Chinese".
Hell, you even posted this as if it offered some kind of evidence for SARS-CoV-2 escaping from the lab at Wuhan
Why do you get so defensive when people call out China??
Are we not allowed to criticize China because you're a far Leftie, and China is a communist country also??
 
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Valcazar

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Why do you get so defensive when people call out China??
Are we not allowed to criticize China because you're a far Leftie, and China is a communist country also??
LOL

How am I being defensive about you "calling out China".
I'm pointing out that your own post undercuts your pretense that this is about lab safety concern.

Even with all the Biosafety levels in place, lab leaks still happen.
Read and learn: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/30/lab-leaks-shrouded-secrecy
Of course they do.
Mistakes are inevitable.
This is part of the whole concept of security - risk management.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Of course they do.
Mistakes are inevitable.
This is part of the whole concept of security - risk management
Right, which is exactly why they shouldnt mess around with a dangerous virus like Ebola
 

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They came up with a smallpox vaccine AFTER that virus had causes millions of deaths.
Of course in that case developing a vaccine is a good thing.

Can you name 1 vaccine thats been developed BEFORE a pandemic started??
They don't come up with the vaccines before because it is pointless until you know the exact genetics of the virus. They develop treatments and they identify mechanisms the virus uses which can be targeted with vaccines or treatments.
 

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Looks like I'm not the only one who voices concern.
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It would be stupid to claim that scientists studying infectious diseases aren't concerned about leaks as that is a big part of their job. But similarly, they know the protocols and the functioning of viruses in the wild so see it far more likely that a new pandemic will emerge from nature.
 
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Every year the standard flu vaccine is done to anticipate the next virus. For the record. Carry on.
I may be wrong but don't they just survey the strains going around in the southern hemisphere and predict which ones are likely to spread here?
 

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I may be wrong but don't they just survey the strains going around in the southern hemisphere and predict which ones are likely to spread here?
Yes that's one part of it. But these things mutate all the time. And you have to anticipate other issues, and weigh the cost/benefit.
 
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They don't come up with the vaccines before because it is pointless until you know the exact genetics of the virus. They develop treatments and they identify mechanisms the virus uses which can be targeted with vaccines or treatments.
There are lots of diseases that haven't yet become pandemics that they work on vaccines for.
If it has the potential to become one, it is likely worth studying.
 

Valcazar

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Yes that's one part of it. But these things mutate all the time. And you have to anticipate other issues, and weigh the cost/benefit.
Exactly.
The most generous interpretation of Phil here is just that he has a very different cost/benefit risk calculation than we do.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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The most generous interpretation of Phil here is just that he has a very different cost/benefit risk calculation than we do
No its not the most generous, its the correct interpretation
 
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Valcazar

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And they just admitted they were doing gain of function research at the Wuhan lab, fancy that ...
You are accepting Musk being excited by The New York Post's spin on it, then?
 

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Isn't it amazing how Fauci denied that for so long, meanwhile, he was directly responsible for funding it through the NIAID.
Oh dear, are people actually thinking that this is evidence that SaRS CoV-2 came from the Wuhan lab?
 
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