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’15 Days To Slow the Spread’: On the Fourth Anniversary, a Reminder to Never Give Politicians That Power Again

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Four years ago, government officials told us, "Stay home!" We have "15 days to slow the spread."

Days turned into months and then years, while officials chipped away at our freedoms.

I have long been wary of politicians, but even I was surprised at how authoritarian many were eager to be.

Some demanded police to go after people surfing. They took down the rims of basketball hoops. Children's playgrounds were taped up like crime scenes. They told people in rural Utah and Wyoming to stay in their homes.

In the name of safety, politicians did many things that diminished our lives, without making us safer.

They complied with teachers unions' demand to keep schools closed. Kids' learning has been set back by years.

Politicians destroyed jobs by closing businesses. Some shutdown orders were ridiculous. Landscaping businesses and private campgrounds were forced to shut down.

Both former President Donald Trump and President Joe Biden sharply increased government spending. Trump's $2.2 trillion "stimulus" package, followed by Biden's $1.9 trillion "American Rescue Plan," led to so much money printing that inflation doubled and then tripled.


This week, the fourth-year anniversary of "15 days to stop the spread," my new video looks back at politicians' incompetence.

First, government probably killed people with its endless red tape.

At least the Trump administration broke Food and Drug Administration (FDA) rules to speed vaccine approvals. But FDA rules kept perfectly good American COVID-19 test kits off the market because they hadn't gone through its multiyear approval process.

Michigan's Gov. Gretchen Whitmer banned "public and private gatherings of any size." Residents were told they could not see friends or relatives.

Many of her rules seemed random. She banned motorboats and jet skis, but allowed kayaks and canoes. She closed small businesses, but exempted big-box stores if they blocked off aisles offering plant nurseries and paint. Why?

Even the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) "six-foot rule" under Trump was arbitrary, says former FDA commissioner, Dr. Scott Gottlieb. COVID travels in aerosols that flow much farther than six feet.


When some Americans became fed up and protested, they were vilified for "threatening the public." Some were fined. A few were arrested.

It's clear now that restrictive rules were not the best way to protect people.

Sweden took a near opposite approach. They mostly left people alone.

Swedish officials encouraged the elderly and other at-risk people to stay home.

But beyond that, they let life carry on as normal. Sweden didn't impose lockdowns, school closures, or mask mandates.

They followed standard pre-COVID wisdom that the best protection is what epidemiologists call "herd" or "collective" immunity. Once a critical mass of people are infected and recover, collective immunity will reduce the total number of infections.

Arrogant American politicians and media "experts" sneered at Sweden's approach.

NBC "reported" on what it called, "Sweden's failed experiment. How their dangerous Covid gamble went wrong."

CBS confidently stated, "Sweden becomes an example of how not to handle COVID."


Time magazine headlined: "Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster."

But the media's experts were just wrong. Swedish health officials were right.

Yes, at the beginning of the pandemic, Sweden suffered high numbers of COVID deaths, but as predicted, over time, herd immunity protected people. Sweden's excess death rate was the lowest in Europe.

Sweden's economy got through the pandemic much healthier than other countries. Because Swedish schools never closed, Swedish students didn't suffer the learning losses that American kids did.

Four years later, have media blowhards who were wrong apologized? Corrected their stories? No.

Have American politicians apologized and begged forgiveness for their arrogance, for destroying jobs, restricting our freedom, and needlessly pushing us around? No.

Let's not give politicians power like that again.

'15 Days To Slow the Spread': On the Fourth Anniversary, a Reminder to Never Give Politicians That Power Again (reason.com)

 

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The vaccine is the one good accomplished I credit to Trump.
Unfortunately for him, the narrative of his base is vaccines are bad so he can't even claim credit. That must piss him off because he wants credit for anything he can get and to have something real he can point to - instead of some bs - taken away must really grind his gears.
 
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Unfortunately for him, the narrative of his base is vaccines are bad so he can't even claim credit. That must piss him off because he wants credit for anything he can get and to have something real he can point to - instead of some bs - taken away must really grind his gears.
Recently when he tried to take credit for vaccines I think there was backlash against him. lol.

Also, I think credit assigned to Trump for vaccines is overdone as if he led the effort and it wasn't a nuanced public-private partnership.
 

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Recently when he tried to take credit for vaccines I think there was backlash against him. lol.

Also, I think credit assigned to Trump for vaccines is overdone as if he led the effort and it wasn't a nuanced public-private partnership.
The vaccines was developed in europe in a german laboratoire. All Trump did was secure a 1 billion investment, which helped development, but in reality it was to secure doses sent to america first.
 

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Recently when he tried to take credit for vaccines I think there was backlash against him. lol.

Also, I think credit assigned to Trump for vaccines is overdone as if he led the effort and it wasn't a nuanced public-private partnership.
Think again. He thought his re election was hinged on his bringing covid vaccines to the U.S.

If you remember the Democrats were against any vaccines that Trump was involved with at first just because he was their political rival.

Trump's administration fast tracks everything...Now if there's no pending election he probably drags his feet I'm guessing but to say he wasn't integral in bringing the vaccines to America would be disingenuous.
 
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All Trump did was secure a 1 billion investment, which helped development, but in reality it was to secure doses sent to america first.
Now why would he do that?
 

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Now why would he do that?
He wanted to ensure that the first dose of the vaccine would be sent to America. Because beyond all the bull shit Trump was saying he wanted a vaccine to help resolve the epidemic.
Of course, he kept quiet about it because his base of supporters are stupid and don't believe in science. Hence their support for such a prick.
 

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The vaccine is the one good accomplished I credit to Trump.
I suspect if Trump go re-elected in 2020 and it was him pushing everyone to get the covid vaccine it would have been more acceptable and mainstream to be critical of the vaccine. Most holier than now lefties who embraced the vaccine would gave anti vax
 
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I suspect if Trump go re-elected in 2020 and it was him pushing everyone to get the covid vaccine it would have been more acceptable and mainstream to be critical of the vaccine. Most holier than now lefties who embraced the vaccine would gave anti vax
He would have probably backed down on pushing/enforcing the vaccine. All is political for Trump. And all is about crushing his opponents. He does not give a shit about human health, human life, or anything that happens to you. Only himself matters. In his psychopathic mind, we are nothing. He wanted the vaccine in America to win a battle. That's all.
 

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I suspect if Trump go re-elected in 2020 and it was him pushing everyone to get the covid vaccine it would have been more acceptable and mainstream to be critical of the vaccine. Most holier than now lefties who embraced the vaccine would gave anti vax
No and after deciphering your post my response is a lefty will go with the science and the experts, not what twats say on social media after finishing unplugging Martha's toilet.
 
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"the science" and "experts" who are paid to produce a profitable outcome for the owners of the tech/products.
Those two phrases have become synonymous with religious/cult style ideology belief systems, which is extremely clear to see looking back on the whole covid scam.
Corporatism + Government = Neo Fascism.....and the sheep eat that shit up especially the virtuous Left.
Just wait for the next big thing to happen, it'll be the exact same shit.
 
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I suspect if Trump go re-elected in 2020 and it was him pushing everyone to get the covid vaccine it would have been more acceptable and mainstream to be critical of the vaccine. Most holier than now lefties who embraced the vaccine would gave anti vax
Trump is such a damaged narcissist and easy to manipulate that if you called it the Trump vaccine he would have been "best, most beautiful vaccine the likes of which the world has never seen, scientists are saying 'sir, how wondeful you were to do this', and big, tough men, with tears in their eyes, were saying thank you, thank you". Then he would have pushed it on everyone. He would insist though that he gets a cut of the sales.
 
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There is so much covid amnesia going on.
It was a novel virus. You can't flip a switch and understand a novel virus overnight. The damn Chinese government held back their info which would have helped the rest of the world get a jump on understanding it.
The scientific community has known for 100 years that it was a matter of when, not if, there would be another pandemic.
Obama had created an agency in USA to deal with pandemics after a bird flu in 2014 which they managed well, as they also did with ebola. Trump defunded it.
Trump was briefed in January about this flu. And he was told it might kill a million (which it did in the usa). He chose to lie about it, under the guise of not creating a panic, but more likely he didn't want to hurt economy for his reelection. Then he engaged in various magical solutions.
The health care system in usa got overwhelmed. It has still not fully recovered as many nurses etc quit. If they chose natural immunity-which is best - the USA would have lost an additional 3-5 million citizens. Where would they go once they struggled to breathe? BTW, Sweden lost 3-4 times the number of people as the other Scandinavian countries, with no significant economic gain. (Also, they didn't lose people at the same rate as USA, as the swedes are healthier on average than the yanks).
The scientific process involves changing your advice as you gain more evidence. That happened as data came in, but that evidence was framed as incompetence, competing with a US government assigning a political czar to neuter scientists at cdc, and then along with Russian disinformation (they were touting the very ineffective russian vaccine and attacking pfizer and moderna) and the antivaxxers flooded the airwaves with all sorts of misleading info causing many citizens to throw their hands up in confusion.

What we need is an honest look at this again. No conspiracy nuts, just scientists of all pov's and administrators so as to learn what to do next time, as there will be a next time.
 
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dvous11

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There is so much covid amnesia going on.
It was a novel virus. You can't flip a switch and understand a novel virus overnight. The damn Chinese government back their info which would have helped the rest of the world get a jump on understanding it.
The scientific community has known for 100 years that it was a matter of when, not if, there would be another pandemic.
Obama had created an agency in USA to deal with pandemics after a bird flu in 2014 which they managed well, as they also did with ebola. Trump defunded it.
Trump was briefed in January about this flu. And he was told it might kill a million (which it did in the usa). He chose to lie about it, under the guise of not creating a panic, but more likely he didn't want to hurt economy for his reelection. Then he engaged in various magical solutions.
The health care system in usa got overwhelmed. It has still not fully recovered as many nurses etc quit. If they chose natural immunity-which is best - the USA would have lost an additional 3-5 million citizens. Where would they go once they struggled to breathe? BTW, Sweden lost 3-4 times the number of people as the other Scandinavian countries, with no significant economic gain. (Also, they didn't lose people at the same rate as USA, as the swedes are healthier on average than the yanks).
The scientific process involves changing your advice as you gain more evidence. That happened as data came in, but that evidence was framed as incompetence, competing with a US government assigning a political czar to neuter scientists at cdc, and then along with Russian disinformation (they were touting the very ineffective russian vaccine and attacking pfizer and moderna) and the antivaxxers flooded the airwaves with all sorts of misleading info causing many citizens to throw their hands up in confusion.

What we need is an honest look at this again. No conspiracy nuts, just scientists of all pov's and administrators so as to learn what to do next time, as there will be a next time.
Tell me you're on the Left without telling me you're on the Left. It was 99.5% survivable and 1M didn't die FROM covid.
 
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Tell me you're on the Left without telling me you're on the Left. It was 99.5% survivable and 1M didn't die FROM covid.
There is data. You can look it up. Yes, older people were more vulnerable particularly Americans. But you can't just declare it was something else. I know how science works. I know the strengths, weaknesses, and limits of all sorts of data. So I can tell when someone doesn't know science. Many people who comment on covid clearly don't know science or how it actually works.
Look up the excess deaths. What caused that well outside the range rate? Why did all these extra people die? A rash of heart attacks? Tuberculosis?
That's my point. There is a concerted effort to bury this. Same thing happened in 1920 w the Spanish flu.
 
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