Is there an HIV vaccine? They've been working on it for decades with no luck. What makes you think that they'd be able to come up with a vaccine in times for an ebola-like virus before the 90% kill rate spreads worldwide?
Chinese lab playing around with Ebola virus
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Hookworm is also not a virus. Its what the name says, a worm.
HIV has a treatment called protease inhibitors.
All the other diseases you mentioned arent likely to turn into a pandemic
How can I be anti-science when I've owned plenty of bio stocks in the past??
I'm currently still holding Novavax which was up almost 100% yesterday btw
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I'm very much pro science, but I dont think playing around with Ebola virus is a good idea
How do you know a mutated Ebola virus a bio firm is working on cant leak and cause a pandemic??
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They came up with a smallpox vaccine AFTER that virus had causes millions of deaths.
Of course in that case developing a vaccine is a good thing.
Can you name 1 vaccine thats been developed BEFORE a pandemic started??
@Kautilya @Valcazar why do you waste time with this idiot? Can't you see the MO of his responses? It's atypical of the brainwashed, quick to deflect, answer with questions, misinform, mislead, and misdirect.
How do you react to a pandemic without prior research, meaning studying existing viruses provide tools and information to defend against future pathogens. It's like asking a mechanic to fix an EV car, when he never learned about them before. Or asking for financial advice from an Amish person who never left thir community.
How do you react to a pandemic without prior research, meaning studying existing viruses provide tools and information to defend against future pathogens. It's like asking a mechanic to fix an EV car, when he never learned about them before. Or asking for financial advice from an Amish person who never left thir community.
Looks like I'm not the only one who voices concern.
But science.org must be anti-science as well then, huh??
The number of high-containment labs studying the deadliest known pathogens is booming. A new analysis warns the growing number of labs is raising risks of an accidental release or misuse of germs such as the Ebola and Nipah viruses.
“The more labs and people working with dangerous pathogens, the risks go up,” says biosecurity expert Filippa Lentzos of King’s College London, who started the Global BioLabs mapping project 2 years ago with Gregory Koblentz of George Mason University.
Worldwide, there are 51 biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) labs in 27 countries, according to the Global BioLabs Report 2023, which was released on 16 March. These labs have the highest level of safety and security standards, where workers often wear protective suits. Fifty-one is roughly double the number that existed about a decade ago. Many BSL-4 labs were built in the wake of the 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States to develop biodefense countermeasures and in response to the 2003 multicountry outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). Three-quarters of the BSL-4 labs are in urban areas, creating risk for more people if a pathogen escaped.
Eighteen BSL-4 labs are slated to open in the next few years, most in Asian countries such as India and the Philippines, that want to bolster responses to local threats and future pandemics. The report also documented 57 operating BSL-3 “plus” labs, mainly in Europe, which are BSL-3 labs with extra safety and security measures. Researchers often use these labs to study animal pathogens such as highly pathogenic H5N1 avian influenza.
Global spread
Although most biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) and biosafety level-3 plus (BSL-3+) labs are in Europe and North America, Asia is also home to many of these facilities where dangerous human and animal pathogens are studied. The number of BSL-4 labs there will double in the next few years.
Concerns about an increasing number of BSL-4 and BSL-3 labs aren’t new, but they have grown since the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic began in 2019. One hypothesis is that the virus came from a lab. And many countries, particularly those building their first BSL-4 labs, lack strong policies and methods to monitor such labs, the report says. Only Canada has legislation overseeing all experiments, even those with no government funding, that are considered “dual use” because the results could potentially be used to cause harm.
The report urges the World Health Organization to strengthen guidance and individual countries to agree to audits by outside experts to ensure that their labs meet international standards.
But science.org must be anti-science as well then, huh??
The number of high-containment labs studying the deadliest known pathogens is booming. A new analysis warns the growing number of labs is raising risks of an accidental release or misuse of germs such as the Ebola and Nipah viruses.
“The more labs and people working with dangerous pathogens, the risks go up,” says biosecurity expert Filippa Lentzos of King’s College London, who started the Global BioLabs mapping project 2 years ago with Gregory Koblentz of George Mason University.
Worldwide, there are 51 biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) labs in 27 countries, according to the Global BioLabs Report 2023, which was released on 16 March. These labs have the highest level of safety and security standards, where workers often wear protective suits. Fifty-one is roughly double the number that existed about a decade ago. Many BSL-4 labs were built in the wake of the 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States to develop biodefense countermeasures and in response to the 2003 multicountry outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). Three-quarters of the BSL-4 labs are in urban areas, creating risk for more people if a pathogen escaped.
Eighteen BSL-4 labs are slated to open in the next few years, most in Asian countries such as India and the Philippines, that want to bolster responses to local threats and future pandemics. The report also documented 57 operating BSL-3 “plus” labs, mainly in Europe, which are BSL-3 labs with extra safety and security measures. Researchers often use these labs to study animal pathogens such as highly pathogenic H5N1 avian influenza.
Global spread
Although most biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) and biosafety level-3 plus (BSL-3+) labs are in Europe and North America, Asia is also home to many of these facilities where dangerous human and animal pathogens are studied. The number of BSL-4 labs there will double in the next few years.
Concerns about an increasing number of BSL-4 and BSL-3 labs aren’t new, but they have grown since the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic began in 2019. One hypothesis is that the virus came from a lab. And many countries, particularly those building their first BSL-4 labs, lack strong policies and methods to monitor such labs, the report says. Only Canada has legislation overseeing all experiments, even those with no government funding, that are considered “dual use” because the results could potentially be used to cause harm.
The report urges the World Health Organization to strengthen guidance and individual countries to agree to audits by outside experts to ensure that their labs meet international standards.
Except it's never called a vaccine is it? You'll always be asked if you got your flu shot.
Because it was generally accepted that vaccines weren't an annual thing.
Of course they changed the definition of the word so as to make the Covid shots more palatable to the general public.
No, it's a vaccine. And it's annual. Because some people don't call it a vaccine doesnt make it not a vaccine. And it's anticipating what variation might appear. And, it doesn't always get it right each year either. Making a best guess.
Maybe the definition will clarify: a substance used to stimulate immunity to a particular infectious disease or pathogen, typically prepared from an inactivated or weakened form of the causative agent or from its constituents or products.
Easily?
Why would that have anything to do with anything?
People own bitcoin knowing it is based on bullshit but they can make money.
So it is no longer you being against all vaccine research?
It's supposed to be just about Ebola?
Again, see post 20.
You clearly said you were against all research on viruses.
I should have been more specific. I'm against labs playing around with dangerous viruses (like Ebola or Marburg).
Obviously creating flu vaccines has been shown to be safe
Of course it could.
That's why there is all this talk about BioSafety Levels.
Has been a major issue for decades.
Ebola, obviously, since there hasn't been an Ebola pandemic from what I understand.
I'm sure there are a few others, since many diseases were well known but never reached pandemic status.
Pretty sure mumps qualifies, for example.
It's mostly to see how the thought process goes so I can deal with it better in real life with people who matter.
Ironically, the article is specifically about how to make an Ebola model less deadly so it can be studied in BSL2 conditions instead of remaining a BSL4 level threat where an outbreak would be a much bigger risk.
No.Looks like I'm not the only one who voices concern.
But science.org must be anti-science as well then, huh??
They are quite pro-science, talking about the serious issues involved in lab safety.
You are saying no one should study vaccines and also "Uh oh, it's the Chinese".
Hell, you even posted this as if it offered some kind of evidence for SARS-CoV-2 escaping from the lab at Wuhan
I mean, if you were seriously concerned and thought this science.org article supported you, the fact your original post was about how to make things safer and avoid needing to work in BSL-4 conditions would be a good thing, given the concerns listed here.
I assume at the very least you agree with this sensible approach?
It's always been called a vaccine.
People call it a "shot" in general parlance because it is delivered by a shot.
This is nonsense.
The tinfoil is strong with you.
