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jalimon

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Japan will not open up its borders
i think the same. I feel their program to buy cheap houses on a tourist visa is a trap. Or maybe their goalis to bring back home many japanese of origin living abroad who may not find life so fun anymore in america.
 

southpaw

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what part of its not going to happen are you having trouble understanding ?
You're wasting your breath. His home country got so fucked with overpopulation, that he left to come here.

And now he wants to repeat the same mistakes here.
 

JohnLarue

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You're wasting your breath. His home country got so fucked with overpopulation, that he left to come here.

And now he wants to repeat the same mistakes here.
being home sick for millions crammed into a square kilometer is no reason to force that nightmare on Canada
 

Kautilya

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You're wasting your breath. His home country got so fucked with overpopulation, that he left to come here.

And now he wants to repeat the same mistakes here.
I did not move here because of India's population. Lol wut. And even 100M, heck scratch that, 1 Billion people wont make Canada a crowded place like India.

PS: By the way "his home country"? Are you Pakistani? Or Bangladeshi?
 

southpaw

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I did not move here because of India's population.
Why did you move here? Why have a million moved from India to Canada? How many Canadians have moved to India?

What are the push and pull factors that drive emigration/immigration?
 

Kautilya

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Why did you move here? Why have a million moved from India to Canada? How many Canadians have moved to India?

What are the push and pull factors that drive emigration/immigration?
India is not an immigration destination. Immigration destinations provide money, a more liberal culture, better standard of living etc., and those are primary drivers. What does population have to do with it? There are many European nations, with tons of immigration that have a similar population density to India or Pakistan. Their quality of life is equal to or in some cases better than Canada. There are many underdeveloped nations with low population densities. How do you explain that?

You didn't answer my question though. Are you Pakistani? Bangladeshi? You referred to India as "his home country", while claiming to be from the sub continent. So clearly India is not your home country. And you support Palestine. Which means you are likely from Pakistan or Bangladesh. So which one is it?
 
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Immigration destinations provide money, a more liberal culture, better standard of living etc., and those are primary drivers. What does population have to do with it?
Population has everything to do with it. You need a population that is sustainable.

I've already told you I'm from the same country as you. I'm not trying to recreate it here.

You make a lot of assumptions about my religion and nationality. All wrong.
 

Kautilya

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Population has everything to do with it. You need a population that is sustainable.
Yes. And our current population is aging and not sustainable, not to mention fertility rates are abysmally low, which is why we are allowing immigration.
 
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Yes. And our current population is aging and not sustainable, not to mention fertility rates are abysmally low, which is why we are allowing immigration.
That doesn't mean we have to rapidly increase immigration levels. We've discussed this before.

250K a year was reasonable. 1M a year is not. We don't have to choose one extreme or another.

Either shut the doors completely, or else open the floodgates. This is a false dichotomy.
 
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JohnLarue

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India is not an immigration destination.
i guess not


Immigration destinations provide money, a more liberal culture, better standard of living etc., and those are primary drivers.
Immigration destinations provide the opportunity to make money
Immigration destinations provide the opportunity for a better standard of living

i think we are starting to see the root of your confusion with so much

What does population have to do with it? There are many European nations, with tons of immigration that have a similar population density to India or Pakistan. Their quality of life is equal to or in some cases better than Canada.
we do not have the housing capacity or the infrastructure (health care, transportation etc) to support a similar population density to India or Pakistan.
no sane person in Canada wants a similar population density to India or Pakistan.


There are many underdeveloped nations with low population densities. How do you explain that?
lack of sanitation
poor access to clean drinking water
malnutrition
low productivity
lack of access to reliable affordable energy
lack of access to education
religious/ cultural backwardness (Afghanistan)
high child mortality
lack of access to medical care
corrupt government officials
civil wars
no investment
lack of arable land (the hillbillies in appalachia likely have a low population density, nobody is in a hurry to emulate them)
ugly women might also adversely impact birth rates - there is a cure for this one = alcohol
 
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JohnLarue

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Yes. And our current population is aging and not sustainable, not to mention fertility rates are abysmally low, which is why we are allowing immigration.
which is why we are were allowing immigration.

however

Here's the bottom line: the cost of living in the country has become unaffordable for many. In 2023, there were numerous news reports of growing line-ups for food banks, students dumpster-diving, people moving into shelters and tent communities because they cannot find accommodation.Jan 12, 2024
time to hit the breaks on immigration
 

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Kautilya

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That doesn't mean we have to rapidly increase immigration levels. We've discussed this before.

250K a year was reasonable. 1M a year is not. We don't have to choose one extreme or another.

Either shut the doors completely, or else open the floodgates. This is a false dichotomy.
Okay that is your recommendation. But is 250K reasonable? There is no objective analysis on what is reasonable and what isn't, and what impacts it may have on housing, and every other industry, including tax revenue for social services.
Immigration destinations provide the opportunity to make money
Immigration destinations provide the opportunity for a better standard of living

i think we are starting to see the root of your confusion with so much
It was quite evident that, that is what my post meant, if you used some common sense.
we do not have the housing capacity or the infrastructure (health care, transportation etc) to support a similar population density to India or Pakistan.
no sane person in Canada wants a similar population density to India or Pakistan.
I did not advocate for a similar population density. I said, hypothetically, even India's population in Canada will still only be 1/3rd the population density of India, which Canada can very well accommodate. Reading comprehension is your friend.
lack of sanitation
poor access to clean drinking water
malnutrition
low productivity
lack of access to reliable affordable energy
lack of access to education
religious/ cultural backwardness (Afghanistan)
high child mortality
lack of access to medical care
corrupt government officials
civil wars
no investment
lack of arable land (the hillbillies in appalachia likely have a low population density, nobody is in a hurry to emulate them)
ugly women might also adversely impact birth rates - there is a cure for this one = alcohol
Right. So population has nothing to do with it. Thanks for proving my point.
which is why we are were allowing immigration.

however
time to hit the breaks on immigration
We still ARE allowing immigration. 2024 targets for PRs is 485,000. In 2025 and 2026 it is 500,000. But that said, temp residents should be reduced and students to non-accredited or degree mills should be reduced as well. I dont think that is unreasonable.
 

JohnLarue

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It was quite evident that, that is what my post meant, if you used some common sense.
that not what you said,
so you did not use common sense

I did not advocate for a similar population density. I said, hypothetically, even India's population in Canada will still only be 1/3rd the population density of India, which Canada can very well accommodate. Reading comprehension is your friend.
reality is not your friend


Right. So population has nothing to do with it. Thanks for proving my point.
a multitude of potential causes for low density populations proves nothing

We still ARE allowing immigration. 2024 targets for PRs is 485,000. In 2025 and 2026 it is 500,000. But that said, temp residents should be reduced and students to non-accredited or degree mills should be reduced as well. I dont think that is unreasonable.
targets are not reality
there will be an election and policy change

your concept of unreasonable is very unreasonable.
still want to steal rich folks money at 95 to 99% ?
 

Butler1000

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that not what you said,
so you did not use common sense



reality is not your friend




a multitude of potential causes for low density populations proves nothing


targets are not reality
there will be an election and policy change

your concept of unreasonable is very unreasonable.
still want to steal rich folks money at 95 to 99% ?
I think they should go back to to high corporate tax rates. If both Nations did it, with the old tax incentive breaks for research, equipment upgrades, payroll and benefits to employees, it would limit the stupidity of "next quarter" myopic business thinking.

Trickle down doesn't work, trickle up does.
 

lomotil

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So lower our standards is the answer? Man thankfully not many people in Canada think like you my man. How about limit immigration into Canada until things are figured out? 🤪
Unfortunately for the Canada, limiting immigration will choke the Canadian economy as there is a dire labour shortage which immigration backstops. Immigration and housing are not mutually exclusive, both must happening simultaneously which the government has already “figured out” but has no solution for. The current opposition has no solution neither.
Immigrants continue to do jobs that Canadians either cannot or will not do which is and more visually apparent in major centres across Canada and becoming more and more in smaller regional centres.
Can Canada “ wait until things are figured out” to limit immigration. The answer is obviously, no.
In 2023, immigrants brought in 22 billion dollars to Canada and did in the neighbourhood of 300, 000 jobs that Canadians either cannot or will not do, many primarily from India.
The Canada - India economic patch solution is something that the US, Western Europe, Japan and other nations with decreasing workforces have failed to do.
 
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Kautilya

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that not what you said,
so you did not use common sense



reality is not your friend




a multitude of potential causes for low density populations proves nothing


targets are not reality
there will be an election and policy change

your concept of unreasonable is very unreasonable.
still want to steal rich folks money at 95 to 99% ?
A rambling non-response.
 

DesRicardo

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Unfortunately for the Canada, limiting immigration will choke the Canadian economy as there is a dire labour shortage which immigration backstops. Immigration and housing are not mutually exclusive, both must happening simultaneously which the government has already “figured out” but has no solution for. The current opposition has no solution neither.
Immigrants continue to do jobs that Canadians either cannot or will not do which is and more visually apparent in major centres across Canada and becoming more and more in smaller regional centres.
Can Canada “ wait until things are figured out” to limit immigration. The answer is obviously, no.
In 2023, immigrants brought in 22 billion dollars to Canada and did in the neighbourhood of 300, 000 jobs that Canadians either cannot or will not do, many primarily from India.
The Canada - India economic patch solution is something that the US, Western Europe, Japan and other nations with decreasing workforces have failed to do.
If they are such a net positive, why are living standards and overall wealth going down?
 
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