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The future of housing? Your opinions

JohnLarue

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Yikes, JL has reached the, repetitive short circuited robot rambling stage at this point. None of that makes any sense or is even a response to my post.
yawn
I challenge you to say the facts below are not true
what did you expect to happen

your blithering damn fool challenge was met, but you did not like it so you dismissed it

you are not very bright
 

DesRicardo

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Not just Canada. Australia and New Zealand face the exact same problem. They recently announced a serious cut down on immigration.

I suspect some other country too like the UK for sure. And longer term Portugal will get in the same swamp.

Maybe Japan could open up its border a bit so we can go live in their 10 million empty houses!
Can't speak on the other countries, but in Canada we have too much of our economy tied into real estate. It's just going to be a mess as it's been since early the 2000.

Japan isn't stupid. They understand the "solution" only brings more problems.
 

JohnLarue

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Increase capacity then. The capacity is again a supply side issue. And it does not have to be over 7 years. Who said in 7 years everything needs to be fixed?
what part of its not going to happen are you having trouble understanding ?

a 10 to 20% increase in output might be achieved, unfortunately a sustained 152% increase is required

just like you would keep the flooding taps open, any incremental immigration will just make the crisis worse

Who said in 7 years everything needs to be fixed?
the 20 to 30 year old's who do not want to raise their families in their parents basement

Who said in 7 years everything needs to be fixed?
so Who said in 7 years immigration needs to be resumed ?

you are not very bright


You rambled and your "meeting the challenge" was to say: "wrong" on every post and copy pasting a previous post of yours. Nice try.
your challenge was idiotic and comical

all you have proven is you do not understand economics and that you will dogmatically stick to open doors immigration no matter what undisputable evidence is put in front of you

you are not very bright
 

jalimon

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Japan will not open up its borders
i think the same. I feel their program to buy cheap houses on a tourist visa is a trap. Or maybe their goalis to bring back home many japanese of origin living abroad who may not find life so fun anymore in america.
 

southpaw

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what part of its not going to happen are you having trouble understanding ?
You're wasting your breath. His home country got so fucked with overpopulation, that he left to come here.

And now he wants to repeat the same mistakes here.
 

JohnLarue

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You're wasting your breath. His home country got so fucked with overpopulation, that he left to come here.

And now he wants to repeat the same mistakes here.
being home sick for millions crammed into a square kilometer is no reason to force that nightmare on Canada
 

southpaw

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I did not move here because of India's population.
Why did you move here? Why have a million moved from India to Canada? How many Canadians have moved to India?

What are the push and pull factors that drive emigration/immigration?
 

southpaw

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Immigration destinations provide money, a more liberal culture, better standard of living etc., and those are primary drivers. What does population have to do with it?
Population has everything to do with it. You need a population that is sustainable.

I've already told you I'm from the same country as you. I'm not trying to recreate it here.

You make a lot of assumptions about my religion and nationality. All wrong.
 

southpaw

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Yes. And our current population is aging and not sustainable, not to mention fertility rates are abysmally low, which is why we are allowing immigration.
That doesn't mean we have to rapidly increase immigration levels. We've discussed this before.

250K a year was reasonable. 1M a year is not. We don't have to choose one extreme or another.

Either shut the doors completely, or else open the floodgates. This is a false dichotomy.
 
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JohnLarue

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India is not an immigration destination.
i guess not


Immigration destinations provide money, a more liberal culture, better standard of living etc., and those are primary drivers.
Immigration destinations provide the opportunity to make money
Immigration destinations provide the opportunity for a better standard of living

i think we are starting to see the root of your confusion with so much

What does population have to do with it? There are many European nations, with tons of immigration that have a similar population density to India or Pakistan. Their quality of life is equal to or in some cases better than Canada.
we do not have the housing capacity or the infrastructure (health care, transportation etc) to support a similar population density to India or Pakistan.
no sane person in Canada wants a similar population density to India or Pakistan.


There are many underdeveloped nations with low population densities. How do you explain that?
lack of sanitation
poor access to clean drinking water
malnutrition
low productivity
lack of access to reliable affordable energy
lack of access to education
religious/ cultural backwardness (Afghanistan)
high child mortality
lack of access to medical care
corrupt government officials
civil wars
no investment
lack of arable land (the hillbillies in appalachia likely have a low population density, nobody is in a hurry to emulate them)
ugly women might also adversely impact birth rates - there is a cure for this one = alcohol
 
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JohnLarue

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Yes. And our current population is aging and not sustainable, not to mention fertility rates are abysmally low, which is why we are allowing immigration.
which is why we are were allowing immigration.

however

Here's the bottom line: the cost of living in the country has become unaffordable for many. In 2023, there were numerous news reports of growing line-ups for food banks, students dumpster-diving, people moving into shelters and tent communities because they cannot find accommodation.Jan 12, 2024
time to hit the breaks on immigration
 

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JohnLarue

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It was quite evident that, that is what my post meant, if you used some common sense.
that not what you said,
so you did not use common sense

I did not advocate for a similar population density. I said, hypothetically, even India's population in Canada will still only be 1/3rd the population density of India, which Canada can very well accommodate. Reading comprehension is your friend.
reality is not your friend


Right. So population has nothing to do with it. Thanks for proving my point.
a multitude of potential causes for low density populations proves nothing

We still ARE allowing immigration. 2024 targets for PRs is 485,000. In 2025 and 2026 it is 500,000. But that said, temp residents should be reduced and students to non-accredited or degree mills should be reduced as well. I dont think that is unreasonable.
targets are not reality
there will be an election and policy change

your concept of unreasonable is very unreasonable.
still want to steal rich folks money at 95 to 99% ?
 

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that not what you said,
so you did not use common sense



reality is not your friend




a multitude of potential causes for low density populations proves nothing


targets are not reality
there will be an election and policy change

your concept of unreasonable is very unreasonable.
still want to steal rich folks money at 95 to 99% ?
I think they should go back to to high corporate tax rates. If both Nations did it, with the old tax incentive breaks for research, equipment upgrades, payroll and benefits to employees, it would limit the stupidity of "next quarter" myopic business thinking.

Trickle down doesn't work, trickle up does.
 

lomotil

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So lower our standards is the answer? Man thankfully not many people in Canada think like you my man. How about limit immigration into Canada until things are figured out? 🤪
Unfortunately for the Canada, limiting immigration will choke the Canadian economy as there is a dire labour shortage which immigration backstops. Immigration and housing are not mutually exclusive, both must happening simultaneously which the government has already “figured out” but has no solution for. The current opposition has no solution neither.
Immigrants continue to do jobs that Canadians either cannot or will not do which is and more visually apparent in major centres across Canada and becoming more and more in smaller regional centres.
Can Canada “ wait until things are figured out” to limit immigration. The answer is obviously, no.
In 2023, immigrants brought in 22 billion dollars to Canada and did in the neighbourhood of 300, 000 jobs that Canadians either cannot or will not do, many primarily from India.
The Canada - India economic patch solution is something that the US, Western Europe, Japan and other nations with decreasing workforces have failed to do.
 
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DesRicardo

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Unfortunately for the Canada, limiting immigration will choke the Canadian economy as there is a dire labour shortage which immigration backstops. Immigration and housing are not mutually exclusive, both must happening simultaneously which the government has already “figured out” but has no solution for. The current opposition has no solution neither.
Immigrants continue to do jobs that Canadians either cannot or will not do which is and more visually apparent in major centres across Canada and becoming more and more in smaller regional centres.
Can Canada “ wait until things are figured out” to limit immigration. The answer is obviously, no.
In 2023, immigrants brought in 22 billion dollars to Canada and did in the neighbourhood of 300, 000 jobs that Canadians either cannot or will not do, many primarily from India.
The Canada - India economic patch solution is something that the US, Western Europe, Japan and other nations with decreasing workforces have failed to do.
If they are such a net positive, why are living standards and overall wealth going down?
 
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southpaw

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Okay that is your recommendation. But is 250K reasonable? There is no objective analysis on what is reasonable and what isn't
250K per year was the level for two decades before Trudeau came to power. And we didn't have the problems that we do now.

You need to commission a study? That 100 million target by 2100 that you tout is from McKinsey. They get paid for these studies. Not exactly unbiased.

Of course they're going to recommend increasing the population. It means more customers for them and their clients.

GDP goes up. Doesn't mean GDP per capita does. What about the standard of living? No one can afford a house. Healthcare wait times grow longer.

But what do you care?
 

JohnLarue

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A rambling non-response.
you say that a lot when confronted with the facts of the matter

your concept of reasonable is very unreasonable.
still want to tax/ steal rich folks money at 95 to 99% ?
still favour state sponsor assassinations on Canadian soil ?
 
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