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SchlongConery

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No costs orders in criminal cases.

Can you opine on the principles and maybe real life examples of when police officers, Crown Attorney's as individuals, or being sued civilly through their respective agencies?

So much gets said about 'qualified immunity' etc. But a lot gets conflated with US law. Both criminal and civil in the US.

But for purposes of this discussion, what kind of a case might Zameer have against the lying witnesses, the police chief who slandered him initially, the Crowns who obviously were very personally invested in seeing this case through.. no matter the evidence?

As you know, especially under Ontario's Domestic Violence policy (not law!), the mere breathing of an allegation agains a wife, husband, even a date results in charges being laid and then "letting the courts sort it out".
 
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Can you opine on the principles and maybe real life examples of when police officers, Crown Attorney's as individuals, or being sued civilly through their respective agencies?

So much gets said about 'qualified immunity' etc. But a lot gets conflated with US law. Both criminal and civil in the US.

But for purposes of this discussion, what kind of a case might Zameer have against the lying witnesses, the police chief who slandered him initially, the Crowns who obviously were very personally invested in seeing this case through.. no matter the evidence?

As you know, especially under Ontario's Domestic Violence policy (not law!), the mere breathing of an allegation agains a wife, husband, even a date results in charges being laid and then "letting the courts sort it out".
"Qualified immunity" doesn't exist in Canada. It's a US bullshit rule.

Lying witnesses are suable for mailicious prosecution. Out of court statements are libel.

The Crown is way too complicated for me to do off the cuff. Every lawyer in the world is instructed to lead evidence he / she thinks is lying bullshit. But the witness is entitled to be heard by the judge. But then, Crown's have special duties of fairness. This is a grad school exam question on legal ethics.
 
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"Qualified immunity" doesn't exist in Canada. It's a US bullshit rule.

Lying witnesses are suable for mailicious prosecution. Out of court statements are libel.

The Crown is way too complicated for me to do off the cuff. Every lawyer in the world is instructed to lead evidence he / she thinks is lying bullshit. But the witness is entitled to be heard by the judge. But then, Crown's have special duties of fairness. This is a grad school exam question on legal ethics.

Thanks for the brief, timely explanation.

But I think that this Crown knowingly put witnesses on that he knew would give false evidence contrary to physical and his own expert witness. I'd not be surprised if the family sues. Then again, maybe they just need to move on and heal. They have already proven themselves to be good Canadians and have had enough taken from them. They need to focus on their own children and families wellbeing.
 

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Thanks for the brief, timely explanation.

But I think that this Crown knowingly put witnesses on that he knew would give false evidence contrary to physical and his own expert witness. I'd not be surprised if the family sues. Then again, maybe they just need to move on and heal. They have already proven themselves to be good Canadians and have had enough taken from them. They need to focus on their own children and families wellbeing.
If she was a private bar lawyer, I'd have no difficulty with what she did.

But the cops are not her "clients" and she is an agent of the state and has a higher calling. That's the difficult part.
 

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This is a result of the clash of cultures. Trudeau claimed that Canada was a post-nationalist state, but this dude was behaving like he was still in whatever desert hell hole he came from. Honestly, I can't blame him, I don't think I would stop if I saw two plain-clothed officers telling me to stop after the increased high-profile carjackings taking place in the GTA (Grand Theft Auto). The high trust society of Canada is gone and it will never come back. When you see a liberal say thanks, or actually give them a good slap across the face and tell them that's how you say thanks back in the old country.
 

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Fucking blue coward. More loyal to the few bad crew members in his gang than to being answerable to the citizens he is sworn to protect.

And folks, that was my instinctive motive all along for this show trial. Gotta appease the boys in blue first and foremost, even if you have to lie about it.

Imagine if the Chief had said that back then:

"Today is not the day to make any accusations. This is going to be a complex investigation. An honourable, long standing member of the police has lost his life in the line of duty. I am confident that his fellow officers will investigate the matter thoroughly. And after they do, I will report back with their findings and we'll take it from there."


And today, he would have the respect of everyone if his answer was: "The important thing is that we have fair and open Courts in Canada. This was a very complex case and I assure you that I will ensure we will conduct a review and analysis of this case. Losing one officer is one too many."
 

SchlongConery

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This is a result of the clash of cultures. Trudeau claimed that Canada was a post-nationalist state, but this dude was behaving like he was still in whatever desert hell hole he came from. Honestly, I can't blame him, I don't think I would stop if I saw two plain-clothed officers telling me to stop after the increased high-profile carjackings taking place in the GTA (Grand Theft Auto). The high trust society of Canada is gone and it will never come back. When you see a liberal say thanks, or actually give them a good slap across the face and tell them that's how you say thanks back in the old country.

No wonder you are a simp. You and your homo-obsession over Trudeau and blaming everything on him and the libtards.

The problems you describe have been a problem in Canada way back in the Leave it To Beaver days you fantasize about. And they have waxed and waned through PC,Lib and NDP governments.

So how about a slap across the face for you for spewing off your disaffected incel crybaby routine.

I'm as WASPY, european white white as they come. I live downtown and see and live all that you whine about from your aunties basement. And I have travelled to hundreds of cities around the world. Canada is the best fucking place to live, hands down. And our society is first class through and through.

As for him behaving like he lived in a desert hell hole wherever he came from (last professional job was Singapore Malaysia. This guy is a fucking university educated Canadian certified Chartered Accountant driving a $80,000 BMW.

If anyone rushes me and starts banging on my windows I'm NOT sticking around. I'm driving away and not looking back. And again, I;m from the Leave it To Beaver era from a small Ontario town. You don't have to come from a desert hell hole to have a survival instinct you fucking uneducated ignorant racist moron.
 

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Fucking blue coward. More loyal to the few bad crew members in his gang than to being answerable to the citizens he is sworn to protect.

And folks, that was my instinctive motive all along for this show trial. Gotta appease the boys in blue first and foremost, even if you have to lie about it.

Imagine if the Chief had said that back then:

"Today is not the day to make any accusations. This is going to be a complex investigation. An honourable, long standing member of the police has lost his life in the line of duty. I am confident that his fellow officers will investigate the matter thoroughly. And after they do, I will report back with their findings and we'll take it from there."

And today, he would have the respect of everyone if his answer was: "The important thing is that we have fair and open Courts in Canada. This was a very complex case and I assure you that I will ensure we will conduct a review and analysis of this case. Losing one officer is one too many."
IDK. He has a lot to think about.

There's that resignation letter that he might have to write and how to phrase it.
 

simp2000

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I wouldn't wish this situation on anyone, it is traumatic and life-changing. But, unfortunately, cops will become more militant like they are in the USA, but I doubt that will help matters since the mass immigration numbers will overwhelm whatever steps police departments take to address this situation. When Canada imports 1 million men from a third-world shit hole there is nothing that the security apparatus can do, unfortunately. Oh well, it's not my problem.
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simp2000

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No wonder you are a simp. You and your homo-obsession over Trudeau and blaming everything on him and the libtards.

The problems you describe have been a problem in Canada way back in the Leave it To Beaver days you fantasize about. And they have waxed and waned through PC,Lib and NDP governments.

So how about a slap across the face for you for spewing off your disaffected incel crybaby routine.

I'm as WASPY, european white white as they come. I live downtown and see and live all that you whine about from your aunties basement. And I have travelled to hundreds of cities around the world. Canada is the best fucking place to live, hands down. And our society is first class through and through.

As for him behaving like he lived in a desert hell hole wherever he came from (last professional job was Singapore Malaysia. This guy is a fucking university educated Canadian certified Chartered Accountant driving a $80,000 BMW.

If anyone rushes me and starts banging on my windows I'm NOT sticking around. I'm driving away and not looking back. And again, I;m from the Leave it To Beaver era from a small Ontario town. You don't have to come from a desert hell hole to have a survival instinct you fucking uneducated ignorant racist moron.
Yeah, you are exactly the problem with this country. You were raised by a single-mom feminist and taught that men were shit. No wonder you hate yourself. No wonder this country is going to shit. And why do all these anti-racist-white-man-hating douchebags always drive a Nazi German machine? Even Judy Garland would shit on you. You can't make this shit up, your virtue signaling is a joke, no one cares about that anymore when they can't feed their kids.
 
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