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mandrill

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That is an incomplete version and is misleading.

The Crown's own Forensic accident reconstructionist, Toronto Police Sargeant Jeff Bassingthwaite had already reported this completely contradictory information to the Crown!

Yet the Crown, knowing that the Sargeant's analysis, the physical damage and lack of damage to the vehicle, as well as the video evidence, would be obviously contradicted by the notes and anticipated testimony of the 3 witness officers, continued with the prosecution of Mr. Zameer.

Then the Crown put those witness officers on the stand. Already being advised by two Judges, that it would be reasonable to infer that at least the the testimony and notes of two officers were likely the product of collusion. I am only a Sea Lawyer, but whomever put them on the stand would seem to be deliberated suborning perjury.



"A collision reconstructionist is telling jurors he believes a Toronto police officer was knocked to the ground before he was fatally run over.

Toronto Police Sargeant Jeff Bassingthwaite is testifying at the trial of Umar Zameer, who has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder in the death of Det. Const. Jeffrey Northrup.

Bassingthwaite says he concluded Northrup was knocked down by the car's front left fender as it was backing up out of a parking space, then rolled under the vehicle as it accelerated forward down the laneway."






Again, incomplete and misleading.

The Crown "had a tiff" when "the Crown accused him of having been criticized for his testimony in another case, which turned out not to be true, and did not give him the opportunity to respond."

She (the Crown) started out her cross examination by specifically accusing this Expert Witness of being criticized in another court on another case for his testimony, thereby impugning his integrity. And either incompetently misapprehending the case, or deliberately misleading, or in plain speak, LYING, and trying sneakily to introduce this as evidence by Tucker Carlsonesque making an accusation in the form of a question.

Both Crown Attorney's bring the entire administration of justice of their profession into disrepute.


The expert’s outburst


"The Crown at one point considered suggesting to jurors that a crash reconstruction expert called by the defence may have been biased in his opinion after he lashed out during cross-examination.

Barry Raftery aggressively accused the Crown of misleading the jury and was reprimanded by the judge for his tone. Molloy later told the jury that prosecutors had not been misleading.

During legal arguments in the absence of the jury, Molloy acknowledged Raftery was "angry and hostile" during the exchange, and said that if prosecutors were planning to raise the possibility of bias, she would give jurors instructions on that issue.

However, the judge said she would also have to include the broader context of the outburst. She noted Raftery’s testimony "started out on such a bad foot" after the Crown accused him of having been criticized for his testimony in another case, which turned out not to be true, and did not give him the opportunity to respond. The judge told the jury at the time that it was a mistake and that Raftery had not been criticized by the court in that case.

In the end, Simone said she would highlight areas of Raftery’s evidence that the Crown believes are “problematic” in her closing submissions to the jury without suggesting the expert was biased or referring to what she called his “very inappropriate and unprofessional outburst in court.”
I didn't realize that the Crown's own expert had contradicted the cops' testimony.

It's a fine line between "letting your witnesses tell their story, even if not that convincing" and leading evidence that couldn't possibly be believed - and that may be where this goes if BOTH accident experts contradicted the cops' verbal evidence.

We'll see where this goes.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I didn't realize that the Crown's own expert had contradicted the cops' testimony
So in other words you havent been following this case very closely, because its been all over the news
 

Valcazar

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And this is point I'm also trying to make.

Why do other Officers and law enforcement people like Crowns rally around to protect fellow members who briing the entire law enforcement team into disrepute and distrust?
Because "protecting the profession/institution" is a very common thing in human society.
Police are hardly alone in this.
 

Valcazar

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I get it that you don't think much of cops, but.... your scenario is that 2 experienced police officers failed to follow normal, automatic procedures and they just assumed that a guy with a wife and kid was the perp just because there was a slight physical resemblance and that they simply tried to grab him out of the car without ID-ing themselves as cops. The difficulty that I have is that experienced officers should - and probably DID - know better than to do that.
"Knew better" is "Did it anyway" aren't at all mutually exclusive.

The whole point of having power for too many people is that you can get away with shit other people can't.
 

Valcazar

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I'll bet you 40 chicken wings and beer at Hooters that the jury outright acquits Ameer and does not convict on any criminal charges.

Deal? 🤝?
Not taking a side in the bet, but I kind of love the specific terms. :D
 

mandrill

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"Knew better" is "Did it anyway" aren't at all mutually exclusive.

The whole point of having power for too many people is that you can get away with shit other people can't.
But.... put yourself in the officers' clunky boots. All you have to do is yank out your badge and yell "Police! Get out of the car..... Now!"

That's easy, right? And kind of fun. Why wouldn't they do it?
 

Valcazar

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But.... put yourself in the officers' clunky boots. All you have to do is yank out your badge and yell "Police! Get out of the car..... Now!"

That's easy, right? And kind of fun. Why wouldn't they do it?
Because they could do more and get away with it.

You seem to forget that some people are assholes and like being assholes so much they look for social license to be assholes.
 

mandrill

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Because they could do more and get away with it.

You seem to forget that some people are assholes and like being assholes so much they look for social license to be assholes.
Why would they do that?

They're investigating a shooting and they see a guy who might be the shooter, but who is in the car with a woman and small kid - which suggests he's just an uninvolved random. What does pretending not to be cops possibly get them?

Presumably they have to check out other cars and it's a busy night for them. Isn't this just a routine 5 minute interaction for them?
 

Valcazar

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Why would they do that?

They're investigating a shooting and they see a guy who might be the shooter, but who is in the car with a woman and small kid - which suggests he's just an uninvolved random. What does pretending not to be cops possibly get them?

Presumably they have to check out other cars and it's a busy night for them. Isn't this just a routine 5 minute interaction for them?
You keep assuming these people aren't complete assholes.
Yes, if they just did a routine 5 minute interaction, things are probably fine.
But why should they have to identify themselves as cops to some scumbag civilian who doesn't appreciate him?
Just because he has a woman and kid in the car?
He's supposed to not be a scumbag civilian who doesn't know his place and maybe did a crime because of that?

You find the behavior irrational - that speaks well of you - you aren't a giant asshole.
But you've seen threads here about cops when things go wrong. There is a large segment of the population (and it includes some cops) that because of what they do, no one should be allowed to question a cop or speak back to them or not let the cop do whatever they want to do. That appears to be what went on here. After all, why else would they just make evidence up unless the idea that the rules apply to them is an affront to their self-image?
 

mandrill

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After all, why else would they just make evidence up unless the idea that the rules apply to them is an affront to their self-image?
They wanted vengeance against a person who killed one of their buddies and they were too dumb to foresee that the defence would employ an accident reconstruction expert who would show that the physical evidence at the crime scene contradicted the statements that they had fabricated together.
 
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