Pickering Angels

The complexities of Sudan

shack

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Right, that is the official definition of genocide. And note, the intent of the official definition of genocide, is to define genocide. Not to rule on whether or not retaliation is appropriate. So while showing whether or not actions amount to genocide is important, discussing whether retaliation is permissible is irrelevant and tangential.

So let us review, shall we?

Hamas:

Did Hamas....
  1. Killing members of the group - No. They killed a multi-national, multi-religious, multi-ethnic group of people. No one specific. Infact they explicitly DID NOT intend to target civilians and have admitted that there were some faults that occurred on October 7. Many Israeli survivors also said the same thing, where the Hamas guys let the women and children go.
  2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group. - No. They harmed a multi-national, multi-religious, multi-ethnic group of people. No one specific.
  3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. - No.
  4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group. - No
  5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. - No. Kidnapping does not count as forcible transfer as they did not steal kids to convert them into Palestinians.
Note, that committing only one of these crimes is enough to be genocide as long as, INTENT, is displayed to in whole or in part, destroy a specific group. So did Hamas display that INTENT? No. They did not.
Hamas intended all of those things to happen. Your explanations are laughably devoid of any semblance of reality.

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mandrill

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And the usual Jew hatred excuses.

You refuse to condemn hamas because the ICC hasn't said anything even though the ICC said there is absolutely no justification for Oct 7 and demanded Hamas immediately and unconditionally release their hostages but at the same time, demonize Israel despite the ICC not making any ruling.

And todays news has Hamas admitting that they don't have enough hostages still alive to make an exchange.
That means that they have tortured and murdered all the hostages, including the little babies, old people and women.
 

shack

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Why do you keep trying to argue that Israel are all idiots who fell into a trap to commit genocide?
This has to be the stupidest theory ever.
Based on what has happened since Oct.7, that attack was the stupidest act of unprovoked aggression while a ceasefire was in effect, ever.
 

Frankfooter

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Based on what has happened since Oct.7, that attack was the stupidest act of unprovoked aggression while a ceasefire was in effect, ever.
I agree, Netanyahu was warned it was going to happen by Egypt and let it happen.
He wanted to start a war to distract from his corruption trials, unpopularity and issues with the courts and his governing coalition.

 

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I do, you don't.
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Except for this part

7. Demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages, as well as ensuring humanitarian access to address medical needs of all hostages;

You'd rather just listen to a anti-semitic conspiracy theorist who you agree with instead of the UNSC.
 

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Considering Hamas already published an entire document on what their intent was,...
Yes, they were clear in repeated interviews that their point was to create constant violence.

Of course you believe whatever contradictory statements Hamas makes to sate your racism while believing anything from Israel is a lie.
 

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More sensible people would argue that a 75 year occupation, apartheid and violence is 75 years of constant provocation. And even if this was unprovoked aggression, then unprovoked aggression does not in any way justify the ongoing Israeli genocide of the Palestinians.
You know those UN, ICC, and ICJ guys Franky pretend to support? They all said that there was no legitimate justification for Oct 7.
 

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Except for this part

7. Demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages, as well as ensuring humanitarian access to address medical needs of all hostages;

You'd rather just listen to a anti-semitic conspiracy theorist who you agree with instead of the UNSC.
What a surprise, you were dishonest again!
You used a partial quote.

1. Demands an immediate ceasefire for the month of Ramadan respected by all parties leading to a lasting sustainable ceasefire, and also demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages, as well as ensuring humanitarian access to address their medical and other humanitarian needs, and further demands that the parties comply with their obligations under international law in relation to all persons they detain;

The ceasefire was the main demand, releasing hostages and allowing aid through were additional demands.
Israel ignored all demands and remains a rogue nation that should be booted from the UN and put on trial for genocide.
 

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Heck, Hamas is a consequence of Israeli oppression of the Palestinians.
Even more than that, Hamas was actively funded and supported by Netanyahu as a way to divide Palestinians between Fatah and Hamas.
 
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shack

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More sensible people would argue that a 75 year occupation, apartheid and violence is 75 years of constant provocation.
If you consider yourself a sensible person, then you just disproved your point since you consider a terrorist attack against 1,200 civilians appropriate.

And even if this was unprovoked aggression, then unprovoked aggression does not in any way justify the ongoing Israeli genocide of the Palestinians.
So the US was wrong to wage war against Japan when they were provoked by Pearl Harbour.
 
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There was no zionist attack...you're just dreaming...The arabs in the area would rather burn the jews than have a state of their own....keep denying but we all know you don't hate zionist....you hate jews...
There were 233 zionist settler attacks in 2023 before Oct alone, all documented at B'tselem.
But really, its all one continuous long attack and colonization since 1948.
Only zionists think that the right to self defence is only based on your race.
 

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There were 233 zionist settler attacks in 2023 before Oct alone, all documented at B'tselem.
But really, its all one continuous long attack and colonization since 1948.
Only zionists think that the right to self defence is only based on your race.
settlers who inflict violence get arrested and tried. and they should because they are criminals......Hamas inflict violence both to the palestinians and israelis....and live like kings....and you think Hamas isn't the problem....you see the difference between you and me? I see settler violence as crime...you think Hamas atrocities are fighting for freedom....you're not blind, your just closing your eyes.
 

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No, they don't. Just stop constantly lying, rich.
B'tselem posts the stats, the IDF backs up settler attacks which is why the UN just called Israel out.
once again, they do get arrested, and they are criminals....like Hamas....do you consider Hamas criminals? no you don't....
 
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