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[shack]

Intent to cause death of a specific group of people, with the intent to destroy said group in whole or in part is genocide. Retaliatory attacks against a state are not. October 7 was a retaliatory attack against the state of Israel.

Please show us the source where that is an accepted definition.

You just made that up. You have nothing to use as a citation.

And if you want to use that, it means that Israel is totally justified to their response because every single person agrees that the invasion of Gaza is nothing more than retaliation for Oct.7, but not genocide.

It sounds like you're ready to put those pretzels in the oven.

 

[shack]

Their intent was to attack the state of Israel, by attacking the army, not the civilians. Attacks on civilians were a spur of the moment thing. And the civilians are multicultural, multiracial, multi-religious and multi-ethnic. So neither was the attack intended against civilians, nor was it against a specific group of people. OTOH Israel's actions are deliberately directed towards a specific group of people and hence genocide.

 

[shack]

No I didn't. It is the official definition of genocide that I have posted here several times.

Whose official definition? You don't have one.

United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect

Definition
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Please show us where it says that retaliation makes it permissable.

 

[basketcase]

Bullshit.
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Show me a single place that their 2017 document says they will accept peace with Israel? They don't.

Their statement is the exact same as they've said repeatedly. If Israel accepts all Palestinian demands in a Two State peace, they would accept a Hudna, not a permanent peace.

 

[basketcase]

Back to your standard 'but Hamas' nonsense.
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Back to you spamming us with death porn while refusing to consider Arabs worth criticizing for their actions?

Hamas is a terrorist entity who promote a theocratic rule and strict adherence to religion, subjugation of women, rejection of human rights, and their wasting their corrupt billions on pointless violence instead of helping the people of Gaza, striking Israel then using their own people as human shields simply to get media attention.

Hamas has once again rejected a mediated ceasefire deal, violating the UNSC on that and their refusal to "immediately and unconditionally" releasing their hostages.

 

[mandrill]

Intent to cause death of a specific group of people, with the intent to destroy said group in whole or in part is genocide. Retaliatory attacks against a state are not. October 7 was a retaliatory attack against the state of Israel.

That's why they raped teenaged girls and killed children and the aged. It was a "retaliatory attach against a state" - particularly killing the children.

 

[basketcase]

Their intent was to attack the state of Israel, by attacking the army, not the civilians. ...

Again, they recorded videos of their prep for the attack, having built an Israeli town and practicing going door to door killing.

Hamas ended exercise in mock Israeli town: ‘We have killed everyone on the kibbutz’

Leaked emails show veteran intel soldier warned that terror groups were training for major assault to 'start a war,' but her cautions were dismissed by senior officers as 'fantasy'

www.timesofisrael.com

Hamas practiced in plain sight, posting video of mock attack weeks before border breach

Less than a month before Hamas fighters blew through Israel’s “Iron Wall” and launched an attack, they practiced in a very public dress rehearsal.

apnews.com

But you're so messed up that you still want to pretend that Hamas are the good guys.

 

[mandrill]

Their intent was to attack the state of Israel, by attacking the army, not the civilians. Attacks on civilians were a spur of the moment thing.

I guess killing those kids is just fine then. "Just a spur of the moment thing". Your problem is that there's video of them raping those women and killing those kids and they were really enjoying what they were doing.

And the civilians are multicultural, multiracial, multi-religious and multi-ethnic. So neither was the attack intended against civilians, nor was it against a specific group of people.

Well it actually WAS intended to be against civilians because they headed straight to the music festival. And if they didn't intend to kill civilians, why didn't they drive past and attack IDF positions.

OTOH Israel's actions are deliberately directed towards a specific group of people and hence genocide.

Israel's actions seem to be pretty much directed to killing Hamas. If their intention was to kill Palestinians generally, there'd be a lot more photo evidence of mass civilian deaths. Speaking of which....

When is that mass famine going to happen?????..... It was supposed to happen in February, then March, now it's supposed to be May or June. Can we get clarity on this?

 

[basketcase]

You are confusing the Israeli Agenda of "destroy everything Palestinian" with Hamas.

Though Israel's fringe right may think that, your claims are bullshit.

Hamas has explicitly stated that their fight is with the Zionist entity.

I know you like to pretend Hamas are good people, they have repeatedly stated that by Zionist, they mean jews.

As has been reported already by the UN mission, there was no forensic or survivor testimony for any alleged rapes. As such, there were no rapes on October 7. However, interestingly the team found appalling evidence via survivor testimonies, that the Israelis had unlawfully detained aka kidnapped, and sexually assaulted, raped and diddled Palestinian kids in captivity, in a grotesque exhibition of racist hatred and violence, true to their Nazi Zionist mentality.

The only reason October 7 happened was because of the Al Aqsa storming and the murders of Palestinian civilians, by the settlers in the west bank, protected by the IDF, in multiple acts of state sponsored terrorism. Oh and also because of the 75 year old occupation and violent dispossession of the Palestinians.

Amazing that you ignore the UN report but are happy to selectively swallow whatever load Hamas spews on you.

Hamas has been clear what they want. Even you making this excuse is disgusting. You might think it okay to slaughter 1200 civilians and kidnap hundreds of others including old ladies and infants because some Jews peacefully walked around a holy site, approved by Jordan but all you do is show you are either a outright racist or clueless.

As I said, statements and interviews with Hamas leadership have made clear their goals.

 

[Frankfooter]

Their intent was to kill Israeli civilians i.e. a specific group of people. Genocide

Islamaphobic hate speech.
There is no evidence to back up your claim you knew what they were thinking.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1776756394831577181

 

[Frankfooter]

Whose official definition? You don't have one.

United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect

Definition
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Please show us where it says that retaliation makes it permissable.

You just admitted there is no justification for the Israeli genocide of Palestinians as presented to the ICJ.

 

[Frankfooter]

Hamas is a terrorist entity who promote a theocratic rule and strict adherence to religion, subjugation of women, rejection of human rights, and their wasting their corrupt billions on pointless violence instead of helping the people of Gaza, striking Israel then using their own people as human shields simply to get media attention.

Hamas has once again rejected a mediated ceasefire deal, violating the UNSC on that and their refusal to "immediately and unconditionally" releasing their hostages.

Nothing Hamas has ever done is anywhere near as evil as the shit Israel is doing right now.
Starving 1 million children to near death.
Killing 13,000 children.
Destroying the Gaza health care system and infrastructure.
Using 2000 lb bombs on civlians.
Using AI to target all males of age.
Using drones to kill children.

Israel is by far more evil.
As are all those who defend their actions.

 

[Frankfooter]

Again, they recorded videos of their prep for the attack, having built an Israeli town and practicing going door to door killing.

You believe Hamas sent emails about these plans?
The IDF propaganda is so incredibly stupid and yet you still believe it?

wow

 

[basketcase]

Nothing Hamas has ever done is anywhere near as evil as the shit Israel is doing right now.
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Why are you incapable of criticizing Hamas.

Even immediately after the 7th you were desperately looking for excuses to justify their butchering, raping, and kidnapping civilians.

 

[basketcase]

You believe Hamas sent emails about these plans?
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As I posted, their videos are out there and widely reported on.

But you need to pretend Hamas are good guys, even when they tell you they are committing crimes against humanity.

 

[Frankfooter]

Why are you incapable of criticizing Hamas.

Even immediately after the 7th you were desperately looking for excuses to justify their butchering, raping, and kidnapping civilians.

Take Hamas and Israel to the ICC after investigations based on all the legit reports.
But the legit reports say that there was no rape by Hamas and almost half of the civilians killed were by the IDF on Oct 97.

Even if you count the targeting of civilians by Hamas on Oct 7, Israel is still way more evil on every metric.
Israel has killed 20,000 women and children and is near starving 1 million more children.

Nothing Hamas has done is anywhere near as evil.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1777826656322732220

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1777813428725272993

 

[Frankfooter]

As I posted, their videos are out there and widely reported on.

But you need to pretend Hamas are good guys, even when they tell you they are committing crimes against humanity.

Israel lies over and over again.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1777731510906589286

 

[basketcase]

Take Hamas and Israel to the ICC after investigations based on all the legit reports.
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And the usual Jew hatred excuses.

You refuse to condemn hamas because the ICC hasn't said anything even though the ICC said there is absolutely no justification for Oct 7 and demanded Hamas immediately and unconditionally release their hostages but at the same time, demonize Israel despite the ICC not making any ruling.

And todays news has Hamas admitting that they don't have enough hostages still alive to make an exchange.

 

[basketcase]

Israel lies over and over again.
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I thought you supported UN reports.

 

[Frankfooter]

And the usual Jew hatred excuses.

You refuse to condemn hamas because the ICC hasn't said anything even though the ICC said there is absolutely no justification for Oct 7 and demanded Hamas immediately and unconditionally release their hostages but at the same time, demonize Israel despite the ICC not making any ruling.

And todays news has Hamas admitting that they don't have enough hostages still alive to make an exchange.

Do you read your posts?
Do you have any idea how ridiculously stupid they sound?

Nothing you can ever say will justify your support of starving children to death for your genocide.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1777411529014411455