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Court has ruled Emergencies Act during Trucker convoy was unconstitutional

Skoob

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I have an issue with the statement "Trudeau is guilty" given we are talking about a court proceeding and they have specific language they use.
Do you prefer a different term for "guilty" that would make you feel comforted in his defence?
 
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Valcazar

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Trudeau's bank account should be frozen immediately, together with everybody's who supported him online

until the appeal is heard
Other than "I hate Trudeau" what's your legal argument for such a step?
 

bver_hunter

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Wish that Judge lived close to where this noisy disruption occurred for weeks on end, resulting in businesses being shut down and jobs lost!!

The Ottawa Citizens have the rights to:

Right to protest, but other rights too

There is a strong case being made for the right to protest by Canadians. But there are other rights to consider:

• Ottawa taxpayers’ right to have access to all their roads, businesses, condominiums etc.

• The right to go to work for people employed on Parliament Hill, at the Château Laurier, Rideau Centre or even Tim Hortons.

• The right of businesses to welcome customers and recoup their capital investment made on promises from the city for uninterrupted basic services.

• The right of tenants and condominium owners around downtown to have noise-free, hassle-free access to nearby roads and services and their own property.

• The right of all Ottawa taxpayers to have access to emergency services such as paramedics, fire and ambulance

• Even tourists have a right to access their hotels and the major Ottawa sites.
 

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Two-thirds of Canadians support use of Emergencies Act and want Freedom Convoy cleared out: poll

Maru’s poll also shows that politicians who got behind the Freedom Convoy at any point can expect significant consequences at the polls in the future.
His report found that 68 per cent of Canadians believe that any politician who either contributed to or supported the protests should be voted out of office. Wright says some of the most profound change may come to municipal leadership in the cities most affected by the convoys.
“If you have supported this, it will come and haunt you,” Wright said. “The very volatile situation in Ottawa is actually solidifying the views of Canadians that if you’re on the wrong side of this, then you’re going to pay a significant price.”
“I wouldn’t be surprised if some people now go into politics because of this,” he added.
A large majority (71 per cent) of respondents also say that Canada’s reputation in the world has been deeply hurt, going so far as to say the country is an “international embarrassment.”

 
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danmand

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as opposed to the government shutting down the whole country for months

"noisy disruption" of a few city blocks is not a reason for invoking Emergencies Act
I agree. It is the job of the police to remove noisy, illegally parked trucks. If they refuse, replace them. And if tow trucks refuse to remove illegally parked trucks, remove their licenses.

I do not know to which extend the Province is to blame for the police not doing it's job, but I agree that the emergency powers act is overkill.
 
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bver_hunter

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as opposed to the government shutting down the whole country for months

"noisy disruption" of a few city blocks is not a reason for invoking Emergencies Act
Canada was not "shut down" by the Federal Government of months during the Pandemic. Take your gripe to the Ford Govt. and other Provincial Premiers who for once did the right thing.
After all lives are more precious than paper money!!

Even Ford agreed with the Emergency Powers, as he was helpless. After all it was his responsibility at a Provincial level that failed, and the Federal Govt. then stepped in!!

This noisy disruption including the blockages to the daily lives of the Ottawa citizens was of zero merit!!
 
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bver_hunter

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all levels of government not just federal

and locking the whole country down has created negative consequences that are just being felt now and will be for a very long time
Again, only the borders by the Federal and not the economies that were the Provincial responsibility!!

Once again locking the various provinces was to the benefit of lives and 100% correct!!
 

bver_hunter

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oh man...

it doesn't matter what you or I believe

don't you know that

“For the love of money is the root of all evil.”
For once believe this very simple fact...... it saved lives. Otherwise this could have been a catastrophe that could have seen it hurting our nation for decades.
 
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bver_hunter

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dude now you are just confused or ...

bridge blockade was taken care of by Ford
It was causing a $4 billion loss per day to the Canadian economy. The Police were able to end it. But did it make sense with you for this convoy to then block this flow of goods?
Both Trudeau and Ford agreed with the need to remove this blockade ASAP, unless you believe that it was of no issue to you!!
 

Valcazar

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Do you prefer a different term for "guilty" that would make you feel comforted in his defence?
I have no problem with "the decision to issue the Proclamation does not bear the hallmarks
of reasonableness – justification, transparency and intelligibility – and was not justified in
relation to the relevant factual and legal constraints that were required to be taken into
consideration."

I have no problem with saying the government violated the rights of some people and they should be allowed to sue because of it.

I do have a problem with saying "Mr Trudeau was found guilty" because that isn't what was being determined here.
 

Valcazar

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isn't "I hate Trudeau" enough?

"an eye for an eye" I'm sure that's somewhere in the constitution
At least you are honest it is just motivated by hate.

But sure, "an eye for an eye" could work.
That would mean freezing Trudeau and everyone who supported the Emergency Act's accounts for 10 days or so.
 

Valcazar

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when the leader hates his country and his people

it's only reasonable to expect the same feeling for him by the citizens

10 days will be a good start
"A good start"
So you are more a "two eyes for one eye" kind of guy.

also do not forget about couple of organizers going to jail and their bail being rejected
What does that have to do with this ruling?
 

Valcazar

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there were more damages done to some protesters then just 10 day frozen bank accounts

some had their operating license suspended
Was that found to be in violation of their rights, though?

it's important when calculating eye for an eye penelty
Oh, I see.
So your revenge should be out of all proportion to the actual violation of the rights?
That's how we need to calculate things?
 

Valcazar

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it was caused by unjust deceleration of emergencies act
How so?

relax you are exaggerating, you are a smart guy, you don't need to do that

all I said was that 10 days would be a good start

no more no less

lets first find out what all the damages were done and act accordingly
But you just said that things that weren't caused by this violation should be included in the damages.
 

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Canada was not "shut down" by the Federal Government of months during the Pandemic. Take your gripe to the Ford Govt. and other Provincial Premiers who for once did the right thing.
After all lives are more precious than paper money!!

Even Ford agreed with the Emergency Powers, as he was helpless. After all it was his responsibility at a Provincial level that failed, and the Federal Govt. then stepped in!!

This noisy disruption including the blockages to the daily lives of the Ottawa citizens was of zero merit!!
I agree that is was the premiers that are responsible for the completely useless lockdowns. It was never about health and safety. The lockdowns were pointless and ruined small businesses and all other aspects of life. You don't shutdown society over a virus with a 99.98% survival rate. You can't eradicate a virus in 2 weeks. And Ford was the only Premier to agree with the EA. All the rest were opposed to it. Tells you all you need to know about Dougie.
 
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