Arab Zionism. Hamas/Hezbollah/Palestinians (some, not all)

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Are you still thinking you're smarter than the UN, Amnesty, HRW et al with your 'citizenship' qualifier?
I am more consistent and I'm less prejudiced.

You object to people creating certain new definitions but gladly accept new definitions for things like apartheid when it can be used to demonize Israel.
 

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That's why these threads go on, because zionists keep defending more and more heinous shite.
These threads go on because Arab Zionists like you keep defending the heinous acts of terrorist groups like Hamas on Oct. 7 to further their Zionist goals of creating a Muslim state in the current Israel and ethnically cleansing that land of any and all Jews.

The more you post, the more you substantiate the concept of Arab Zionism.
 

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I am more consistent and I'm less prejudiced.

You object to people creating certain new definitions but gladly accept new definitions for things like apartheid when it can be used to demonize Israel.
If you read the reports you'd understand how idiotic your statement looks.
It makes you sound like 5 year old kid trying to rationalize killing the family cat. But it was a 'puddy tat' not a 'cat'.
 

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Yes, zionists.
Including the Arab Zionists? The ones who claim Israel as their historical birthright and therefore need to drive the Jewish infidels from their land. Arab Zionism is disgusting. They are the new Nazis who want to provide a final solution to the Jewish problem.
 

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It makes you sound like 5 year old kid
You are the 5 year old lying on the floor stomping their hands on the floor yelling, "genocide, apartheid, colonialism, etc." until you get your way.

You need to be sent to your room with no humanitarian aid trucks to steal from.
 
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There was only ever one definition of apartheid. The one per international law.
S. Africa created their own definition without the help of even one other country. Their definition never applied to citizens of any other country.

You support Arab Zionism and the genocide/ethnic cleansing of Jews from the area.
 

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Ontario was only 0% white and 100% Huron and Algonquin. So?
So - they got the very short end of the stick. Various European diseases did an effective job of ethnic cleansing for the colonists, superior killing technologies did the rest. The land was a whole lot better off under the Hurons, who were unable to implement any kind of effective immigration policy. Imagine if all the treaties over the years had been between equal parties?
 
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South Africa never created any definition of apartheid. The only ever official definition of apartheid, as a crime against humanity, was defined per international law.

I support a one state solution where Jews, Palestinians and people of other religions and tribes, live in a constitutional secular democratic republic.
Nice.

No one in the ME supports that btw. But you do you.
 

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South Africa never created any definition of apartheid. The only ever official definition of apartheid, as a crime against humanity, was defined per international law.
Ridiculous. The policies that they entered into law created the definition. They set the parameters. Whatever ways they treated the blacks and browns differently, that was their policy and the named it apartheid. They created the term apartheid.

Are you saying that the world was against and boycotted apartheid but they didn't know what it was?

I support a one state solution where Jews, Palestinians and people of other religions and tribes, live in a constitutional secular democratic republic.
That is very honourable of you. Unfortunately it's not what Hamas supports. It wants to drive the Jews out of the land, take it for their own, have a non-secular state and they will use whatever means possible, including violence and genocide, to achieve their goals.

That is Arab Zionism.
 

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Ridiculous. The policies that they entered into law created the definition. They set the parameters. Whatever ways they treated the blacks and browns differently, that was their policy and the named it apartheid. They created the term apartheid.

Are you saying that the world was against and boycotted apartheid but they didn't know what it was?
Your ignorance is astounding.

Read the reports by Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem and the UN or just shut up.
Your ignorant views are just noise.
 

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Your ignorance is astounding.

Read the reports by Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem and the UN or just shut up.
Your ignorant views are just noise.
Not at all.

It's not my fault that your hate blinds you to reality. You prove everyday that you live in a different universe with your unrealistic lies, suppositions and theories (In what world is a multilateral negotiation for a ceasefire faster than a unilateral surrender? Not in this world .IT IS IMPOSSIBLE YET YOU KEEP TRYING SO SAY THAT IT IS. You are insane if you sincerely believe that fantasy. This is a perfect example of how detached from reality you are.)

You are incapable of coming up with a logical argument of how the country that defined, through their policies and written into their laws what apartheid means, is not a valid argument for the definition of the word "apartheid". The parameters have been changed for no other reason than to demonize Israel. The goalposts were moved exactly for that. It's obvious how upset you get when people don't fall for your obfuscations and prejudiced sources. You are the ignorant one to think that you can influence whomever you want with bullying, lies and insults. People are smarter than you give them credit for, except, of course, for the Palestinians whom you do not give that credit consider to be "lesser humans".
I think there is an exception for all chosen people, they can do no wrong and slaughtering lesser humans is part of their path of righteousness.
If you feel that the new parameters that the UN arbitrarily decided to include, are more important, fine, accept them but just give it a different name. IT IS NOT APARTHEID AS LAID OUT BY S. AFRICAN POLICIES. THEY MADE THE POLICIES AND THEY GAVE IT THE NAME. Deal with it.

It's not so hard to come with a new name is it. Call it apartfooter. The only problem with that is that the word apartheid already carries a dark and sinister reputation with it. You people just want to cash in on that reputation and misappropriate the name for your own propaganda. Sorry, the motivation is just too transparent.

Have you noticed that when a certain species evolves and takes on some new or different characteristics as it evolves, scientists give it a new name? This is the same deal. New parameters, new characteristics, new name.

Because you can't deal with FACTS, as I laid them out, all you can do is insult me, call me ignorant. And has been shown over and over, that is the tactic of someone who is losing an argument. You sound like Little Buddy Klaatu. The more you insult me, the more you prove me right.

BTW, since my arguments are so ignorant, you'll be able to knock wholes through everything I just said using facts and logic. The only thing you laughingly think proves me wrong is UN this and UN that. I just invalidated that argument, so you need to come up with something else. That doesn't cut it.
 

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South Africa, simply implemented policies for racial segregation and they never defined it.
It was written into law. That was how they defined it, even if they didn't submit it to the Oxford dictionary. The world used those inscribed laws as the basis for imposing those sanctions. "We do not approve of this apartheid that you are practising. Get rid of it or else."

The rest of what you say is irrelevant so I'll dismiss it out of hand. ;) :ROFLMAO:
 
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mandrill

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South Africa, simply implemented policies for racial segregation and they never defined it. It is even more ridiculous to expect them to define something in such a negative fashion that they were pushing as morally correct. That is like expecting the Israelis or the Nazis to define their mass murders as "genocide".

There was no official definition of what constituted apartheid until 1973 when for the very first time, the UN International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid defined apartheid as: “inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them". Of course, none of the white countries, signed and ratified it at the time, which is absolutely disgusting, but not surprising.

Eventually, the Rome Statue of the ICC, decided to define the crime of apartheid as a crime against humanity, in 1998, while adopting this one and only official definition of apartheid. It does not matter how many times you bob and weave around the issue, but there is only one definition of apartheid, and that is as per international law. And per that law, Israel is an apartheid, racist and genocidal ethno-state, that was illegitimately formed, illegally occupying Palestinian lands and is in violation of several international humanitarian laws, for which they are being rightly called out.

Palestinians are not Hamas. Hamas are Palestinians. So unconditionally cease fire. Take out Hamas leadership via covert ops. Work on a 2 state or a 1 state solution. A 1 state solution should be a secular, constitutional, democratic republic. A 2 state solution should involve going back to the 1948 or 1967 borders and removing ALL settlements in those freed up lands, and allowing FULL political, military, economic and moral sovereignty for the Palestinians.

No one in the middle east supports genocide either. Oh wait, I take that back. The Israeli Zionist Jews do.
So do all the Muslim extremist groups. Israel doesn't.
 

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More and more people see the one state solution with equal rights the only answer to the status quo, one state apartheid solution in place now.
"More and more people" = you and your buddies at the Feminist trans inclusive activists committee on Palestinian liberation and climate struggle.

No actual people in the Middle East accept the idea.
 
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