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Kautilya said:
The original and the new definitions, are both, illegitimate and colonial in nature. It is religious mumbo jumbo.

But you support Zionism, which is religious mumbo jumbo.
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I believe the state of Israel has a right to continue existence because the citizens, both Arab and Jewish want it to be that way. That's self-determination.

And I also support a Palestinian state beside Israel because the Palestinian people detest a One State peace. 75% of them reject both a One and two State peace so getting there will be problematic but that's what I support. I would also be okay if Israelis and Palestinians themselves decided to enact a One State peace but less than 5% of the population support that.
 
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Kautilya said:
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The majority of Palestinians support Hamas, in principle, because Hamas is the only one standing up for them....
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Because for 100 years, Palestinian leaders have promised that they will rid the region of the Jewish presence so too many of them reject the idea of making peace.
 
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basketcase said:
Wait, are you saying Frank won't complain about Turkey's recent strikes on Kurdish group sin Syria and Iraq?
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None of them team Hamas give a flying fuck about any arabs unless Jews are involved
 
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mandrill said:
Ontario was only 0% white and 100% Huron and Algonquin. So?
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And people burnt witches too.
Just because horrible things have happened doesn't mean you shouldn't stop them from happening again.
I think there is a phrase for this, lets see......

never again
 
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Leimonis said:
None of them team Hamas give a flying fuck about any arabs unless Jews are involved
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Bullshit, I was against the war on Iraq and Afghanistan as well.
I'm sure you cheered both of those on.
Just as you are cheering for a war with Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iran.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Bullshit, I was against the war on Iraq and Afghanistan as well.
I'm sure you cheered both of those on.
Just as you are cheering for a war with Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iran.
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So you only care if a civilized country is involved?
 
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Frankfooter said:
Nah, its mostly colonization, apartheid and genocide.
Genocide bugs my ass.
And the people who do it.

never again, you know.
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Sooo why you never gave a shit when arabs genocide each other or christians?
Where is this desire to root for the underdog coming from? Have you been bullied in school or something?
 
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Mena Mahan said:
Zionism is against the Torah. Jews are a diaspera and are not supposed to return to Israel until the messiah comes as the messiah has not come we have no reason to be there.

Before you start calling jews who have studied the torah their entire lives self-hating Jews because they dont agree with genociding children and babies.....maybe read the holy book of the people you think you are supporting.

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find passages in the torah which is against Zionism instead of regurgitant Hamas propaganda
 
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Leimonis said:
Sooo why you never gave a shit when arabs genocide each other or christians?
Where is this desire to root for the underdog coming from? Have you been bullied in school or something?
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You know, if you have conversations with most people about wars and genocide they usually, 'yeah that sucks' and sometimes you do something about it.
Like, 'yeah, the attack on Ukraine was bad' and they agree. Israel holds that special place where if you bring it up with a zionist they call you an antisemite and try to get you fired from your job. They just keep defending apartheid and genocide as if you're evil for calling it out.
That's why these threads go on, because zionists keep defending more and more heinous shite.
 
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Kautilya said:
The original and the new definitions, are both, illegitimate and colonial in nature. It is religious mumbo jumbo.
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In a way, it's a similar situation to the new definition of apartheid.

You are more than willing to accept one new definition yet reject a new definition of something else. That's your neutral hypocrisy showing up again. Apartheid always was and will forever be defined as treating certain citizens of a country differently than other citizens or conferring different rights of that same country based on some arbitrary parameter. In the case of S. Africa, it was the colour of their skin. All citizens of Israel, regardless of colour or religion or penis size are treated equally. Non-citizens do not factor into any discussion of apartheid. You are free to call it something else, but IT IS NOT APARTHEID. Feel free to call it something else.

You are getting to be as much of a mockery as frank.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Bullshit, I celebrate Jewish groups like IfNotNow, Jews for Peace, IJV Canada, B'tselem and others.
I repeatedly post from those groups.
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Disingenuous, as always.

I talk about who you demonize and you point out who you praise. Even if you do throw out the occasional compliment, there is still only one group that you demonize.
 
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In a way, it's a similar situation to the new definition of apartheid.

You are more than willing to accept one new definition yet reject a new definition of something else. That's your neutral hypocrisy showing up again. Apartheid always was and will forever be defined as treating certain citizens of a country differently than other citizens or conferring different rights of that same country based on some arbitrary parameter. In the case of S. Africa, it was the colour of their skin. All citizens of Israel, regardless of colour or religion or penis size are treated equally. Non-citizens do not factor into any discussion of apartheid. You are free to call it something else, but IT IS NOT APARTHEID. Feel free to call it something else.

You are getting to be as much of a mockery as frank.
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Are you still thinking you're smarter than the UN, Amnesty, HRW et al with your 'citizenship' qualifier?
It just makes you look very foolish.

Citizenship is covered in the reports you refuse to read.
Its a form of apartheid.

Read the reports, don't look so foolish.
www.amnesty.org

Israel's apartheid against Palestinians

Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org

www.hrw.org

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...
www.hrw.org www.hrw.org

www.btselem.org

Apartheid

The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group –...
www.btselem.org www.btselem.org

news.un.org

Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory is ‘apartheid’: UN rights expert

Calling on the international community to accept and adopt the recent findings in his report, an independent human rights expert said on Friday that “apartheid is being practiced by Israel in the occupied Palestinian territory”.
news.un.org news.un.org
 
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Frankfooter said:
Just because horrible things have happened doesn't mean you shouldn't stop them from happening again.
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Which is why Israel's goal is to prevent Oct. 7 from happening again.

I'm glad we agree. They need to prevent Arab Zionism from raising it's ugly head again.

Arab Zionism is a valid and real concept. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
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