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Israel at war

Leimonis

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Possibly to a certain extent.

Keep in mind, Biden's public statements are probably quite different than when he talks in private to that cutie, Nettie. He has to, at least, give the appearance of being tougher on Israel and their domination of this war. The truth is that the U.S. and most Arab nations in the area want Hamas gone. They will approach this conflict in terms of what is best for them.

All countries always are looking out for #1.
The question is what Biden would decide to be best for him
 

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None of that is relevant or in any way justifies collective punishments, carpet bombings, death or genocide. Heck, it does not even justify considering ALL Gazans as Hamas combatants or possible Hamas combatants. That is racist. That is islamophobic. That is a war crime. That is in violation of international law. That is morally bankrupt. That is genocide. That is evil.



American settlers in the west bank are some of the worst humanity can offer up. They are not any different from the Hamas.

None of that is relevant
It's 100% relevant. You love dismissing out of hand, anything that will not fit your narrative. It's easier than actually debating it.

or in any way justifies collective punishments,
Lie. Hamas is using human shields.

justifies car pet bombings
Nothing justifies Oct. 7. This retribution was caused by Oct. 7.

genocide.,
In your imagination. It's a big lie in an attempt to stir up more Anti-Israeli rhetoric.

Heck, it does not even justify considering, ALL gazans as or or possible Hamas combatants.,
Nobody does.

That is racist.,
Wanting to see Israel wiped off the map is racist.

That is islamophobic.,
Israel is fighting Hamas, not the Muslim people. It's kind of funny how you just now conflated Hamas with the Muslim people. That is just what you accused others of doing.

That is a war crime. That is in violation of international law. That is morally bankrupt. That is genocide. That is evil.
That is loser talk is what it is.

If any country in the entire world is fighting for its' very existence they will resort to whatever means are at their disposal to survive. India would nuke China in a heartbeat if they felt it was necessary to survive.

THIS IS WAR. Neither side will play fair.

Oct. 7 was not fair. It's a war crime.
Using civilians as human shields is not fair. It's a war crime.

Which side is worse or which side does it more is irrelevant. It's war. Ham ass butts are getting kicked big time. They are the big time losers.
 

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The IDF said they'll be fighting for a year.
Do you think that means they beat Hamas?
No. I think it means that thousands more Palestinians will die while Hamas refuses to surrender. Did you say that you'd be satisfied with 500,000 dying or were you looking for more? I wish Hamas would surrender tomorrow and no more Palestinians would have to die in this war.

But a Hamas defeat is inevitable. Which country is sending in reinforcements to help Hamas. Gaza is surrounded. How will Hamas get more weapons? The Hebrew writing is on the wall for them. In the end Hamas will be the ones wailing at that wall. Well, maybe just their supporters because the Hamas vermin will have been exterminated.
 

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So why is it going to last for another year?
Because Hamas hides among civilians and Israel isn't willing to just wipe everyone out (no matter how much you claim it's a genocide)

Israel will appear at International Court of Justice: Israeli media
Hillarious.

South Africa who rejected the ICC warrant against Putin now wants to use the legal infrastructure for their benifit.
 

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I agree. But why don't you prescribe that for the more powerful Israelis, and support a one state solution?
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Sorry but I believe in democracy and self determination so if only 5% of Palestinians and 11% of Israelis support a One State peace and much of the Palestinian leadership are VIOLENTLY opposed to it, it's a non-starter.

I support pressuring both sides to negotiate a peace that they can live with, not dictating to them something that both sides hate.
 
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Why doesn't Israel outsmart them and declare they won?
Or are they busy just building the case for genocide instead?
That makes absolutely no sense.

You whine about what's (understandably) happening to the Gazans but refuse to call for what is in their best interests. A Hamas surrender.

You have so much hate, blood must be pouring from your eyes. Your posts are becoming nonsensical.
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The majority of these guys are just stupid. Do these guys even know that Gaza and West Bank is not entirely Muslim and there are Palestinian Christians?
Way fewer than there used to be. At the same time, Israel's Christian population is growing.

And both the PA and Hamas define their Palestine as an Islamic state ruled by Islamic Law. Not that you and Frank care what Palestinians say.
 

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The question is what Biden would decide to be best for him
Understood, but the US needs Israel for the protection of their national interests. Aside from the radicals on either side, both parties support Israel. There are no viable alternatives in that regions.
 
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They reference all the reports, UN, HRW, Amnesty, B'tselem and others.
Enjoy.
initiating proceedings against Israel for violations of the Genocide Convention.
So, that's what I said. This motion deals with only the "Genocide" Convention.

Even though apartheid is mentioned in passing, apartheid is not part of the actual motion. They are complaining about "genocide".
 

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So why is it going to last for another year?
The ground war will have been over for a long time before that. Covert operations to take out leaders like NyahNyah take longer. That is what Nettie's referring to. Remember, he said every last Hamas terrorist.

Look how long it took to take out Bin Laden.
 

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The ground war will have been over for a long time before that. Covert operations to take out leaders like NyahNyah take longer. That is what Nettie's referring to. Remember, he said every last Hamas terrorist.

Look how long it took to take out Bin Laden.
And you've said every last Palestinian is Hamas.
Israel has said the same thing after every massacre.
The difference is they went too far this time and this will be the end of zionism.


 
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shack

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India and caste discrimination has nothing to do with this discussion. Therefore irrelevant.
Same tactic again. It was an example to demonstrate how every single country in the world, including India, will pull out all the stops required for survival, even if they involve war crimes.

Human shields are a war crime. So is killing the human shields. That is per international law and therefore per my comment it is a war crime.
Not one country fighting for their existence would care.

Nothing justifies war crimes, genocide and collective punishments.
Knock yourself out. Call them what you want but Israel needs to survive.

Israel's actions amount to genocide per the official definitions of genocide.
Accusations will not stop them. You can win the war of semantics, Israel will win the war of survival.
Even Hamas is asking Israel for the 1967 borders. Not for Israel to be wiped off the map. So this is a false narrative created by a malicious nuclear weapons state, supported by the worlds most powerful country, to genocide the Palestinians all in an effort to steal land and ethnically cleanse it. The only ones who want to wipe anyone off the map, is Israel that wants to wipe the Palestinians off the map.
Oh. Of course not. So why is the destruction of Israel is in Hamas' charter? Talk about false narratives. There is so much BS in that post.

I did not say Israel was fighting Muslims. I said Israel is indiscriminately attacking Palestinians and to call ALL Palestinians Hamas, is Islamophobic. The fact that you even included the word Muslims, in your response when I did not use that word, is a freudian slip and shows that you agree that this is Islamophobic.

Israel is not fighting for its existence. Hamas is not an existential threat. Israel is a nuclear weapons state supported by the worlds most powerful state. The only ones fighting for their existence are the Palestinians.
They killed 1,200 and are prepared to do it over and over and over again until all the Jews are killed. They proved that they are willing to do whatever it takes. Hamas wants Israel gone. Hezbollah wants Israel gone. Houthis want Israel gone. Iran wants Israel gone. What could be considered more of an existential threat.

Are you saying that because Israel is stronger that they should not retaliate, that they should not try to recover the hostages, they should not try to ensure the safety of their civilians looking ahead? Israel is entitled to have those objectives. It's not their fault that Hamas is using the civilians as shields.

Yes. And in war, you are supposed to follow international law. Israel refuses to abide by it and is therefore engaged in committing war crimes and genocide. As I said that is evil and it is even more evil to support them.
They may commit war crimes and they may face consequences but they will survive. Just the same as any country, even India, home of the world's greatest pacifist, would do. They'd all commit atrocities if push came to shove.

The same way Israel defines itself as a Jewish ethno-state despite the growing Christian population who are treated like crap and are treated as second class citizens.
All citizens of Israel, Jew or Christian or Muslim, have equal rights. It's the nation of Islam that tolerates no others. If they kill all the Jews, they'll go after Christians next, just like they've done in Bethlehem.
 
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And you've said every last Palestinian is Hamas.
Can your lies get any more ridiculous? Find the post.

In the meantime, I don't think I got an answer. You said that Nettie is prepared to kill 500,000 Palestinians.

Would you rather see Hamas surrender to save those lives or would you rather see them keep fighting and see those half million die? We know that Israel would not accept a ceasefire, so those are the only 2 choices available. Which is your choice, oh master of Palestinian welfare and resident coward?
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Can your lies get any more ridiculous? Find the post.

In the meantime, I don't think I got an answer. You said that Nettie is prepared to kill 500,000 Palestinians.

Would you rather see Hamas surrender to save those lives or would you rather see them keep fighting and see those half million die? We know that Israel would not accept a ceasefire, so those are the only 2 choices available. Which is your choice, oh master of Palestinian welfare and resident coward?
You are looking at the end of Israel if they die, shack.
Zionism is on its last legs already.
All Israel and you do is provide more evidence for the trial.




 

shack

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You are looking at the end of Israel if they die, shack.
Zionism is on its last legs already.
All Israel and you do is provide more evidence for the trial.
You mean the trial that means nothing as Israel celebrates its' survival in the war/on the ground? That's not such a bad tradeoff.
 
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