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Frankfooter

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Huh, should I keep that comment of yours saved so I can use your own words against you? This should be hilarious.
Why do you guys have zero self-awareness?

Given that something like 3/4 of Gazas support the erasure of Isreal, I'm pretty sure I'm not blaming a few.
How are they any different from the zionists on this board that support the erasure of Palestine?
 

John_Jacob

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Palestinians are against it too...have you read the updated Hamas covenant yet? There could be something there for the 2 state solution you're proposing...
Given 3/4s of Gazans support, "A Palestinian state from the river to the sea", I'd say they don't support 'the one-state solution' that you're thinking about either...


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Yup. Now where is the Pali one? Surely you have some one in mind?
Assasinated by Israel or in an Israeli prison. Any new or emerging leadership will be targeted for death or imprisonment.

Israel is terrified of effective Palestinian leadership.
 
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John_Jacob

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My entire argument isn't and has never been Jew this or Jew that. It is always about Israel or racist Zionists. As I said, Israel, Zionists and regular secular Jews are all different.
Please, "Zionists" is just cover for anti-Semitism. You know better and you're not fooling anyone.
 

toguy5252

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Word salad. What are you even saying?



It is you that fails to distinguish between the State of Israel, Zionists and other regular Jews. You blanket all of them under "Israel". The state of Israel, Zionists and other regular secular Jews are all different. It is justified to hate the state of Israel for their apartheid policies and for their brutality towards the Palestinians. It is justified to hate the Zionists for their racism towards the Palestinians. But it is not justified to hate secular Jews who just want to live their lives.

I make the distinction. You do not. That's on you.



That is irrelevant. Outrage in the west is a direct result of news coverage and political dialogue. You have to ask yourself the question why you until this argument, even failed to google about the Syrian Civil War and are only using these numbers to minimize the 15,000 Palestinian deaths. Secondly, just because 700K died in Syria, does not mean 15K dead in Palestine as a result of Israeli war crimes is acceptable.
and yet you justify the slaughter of Jews without knowing anything about them and whether they are zionists or secular or anything else. Your Jew hatred is obvious to anyone who reads your posts.
 

Frankfooter

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Given 3/4s of Gazans support, "A Palestinian state from the river to the sea", I'd say they don't support 'the one-state solution' that you're thinking about either...


@Frankfooter
It also says 95% say they will never forgive or forget what Israel has done and that 97% no dislike the US.
It also says they think they will be victorious.

What do you think is Israel's endgame with this attack?
What do you think will happen afterwards?
 

Frankfooter

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When your entire argument is Jew this and Jew that, I'd say Jews live in your head. Thus, it's highly likely your criticism of Israel is based on anti-Semitism.
Except that's not what people supporting Palestinian rights are saying at all.
Its very specifically about Israeli policy and the zionist movement.
 

versitile1

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hamas while in power has built in underground city of tunnels etc rather than economy. Yes there will be people who wish to leave and who could blame them for wanting to . That does not mean that there is ethnic cleansing any more than in Mexico where thousands of people wish to move to the us. You and your friends use incendiary language very casually. I have no idea about you but other posters you the language intentionally to stir up Jew hatred,
There have been clear as day calls for the removal of Palestinians from West Bank and Gaza, both by poster(s) here and by officials in the Israeli government. That's a lot different than migrants from Mexico entering the US.

I've only criticized the IDF and Israeli government, and their tactics against the mostly civilian population of Gaza. So I'm not exactly sure why you think that is "incendiary language" meant to "stir up Jew hatred".
 
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versitile1

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Thanks! Please quote the source for your 2.2M Palestinians. I might need to update my % from 1.1% dead to a neglible <0.5% dead otherwise. 'cause you know, <0.5% in an urban warefare situation is SOOOOOO very unique that we must call it genocide and ethnic cleansing :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Were all Palestinians involved in the incidents you posted, or just a small group?
 

toguy5252

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There have been clear as day calls for the removal of Palestinians from West Bank and Gaza, both by poster(s) here and by officials in the Israeli government. That's a lot different than migrants from Mexico entering the US.

I've only criticized the IDF and Israeli government, and their tactics against the mostly civilian population of Gaza. So I'm not exactly sure why you think that is "incendiary language" meant to "stir up Jew hatred".
It is not the policy of the government of Israel that Palestinians be removed. They were advised to leave the north in order to avoid casualties. That is the opposite of ethnic cleansing. The idf does not target civilians . It targets tunnels and command and control and rocket launchers which your hero’s in Hamas have embedded in hospitals etc. regrettably . Hamas has both discouraged and actively prevented many Palestinians from leaving the north. Any loss of civilian life is a tragedy but are you aware of some bounty which would allow 1200 civilians to be slaughtered and 240 to be taken hostage and do nothing. The problem here is Hamas not the Palestinian people who have been held captive by Hamas which has diverted resources and billions in aide to enriching their leaders and building tunnels and rockets rather than a country.
 
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richaceg

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Word salad. What are you even saying?



It is you that fails to distinguish between the State of Israel, Zionists and other regular Jews. You blanket all of them under "Israel". The state of Israel, Zionists and other regular secular Jews are all different. It is justified to hate the state of Israel for their apartheid policies and for their brutality towards the Palestinians. It is justified to hate the Zionists for their racism towards the Palestinians. But it is not justified to hate secular Jews who just want to live their lives.

I make the distinction. You do not. That's on you.



That is irrelevant. Outrage in the west is a direct result of news coverage and political dialogue. You have to ask yourself the question why you until this argument, even failed to google about the Syrian Civil War and are only using these numbers to minimize the 15,000 Palestinian deaths. Secondly, just because 700K died in Syria, does not mean 15K dead in Palestine as a result of Israeli war crimes is acceptable.
Where did I say it's acceptable? I have pointed out time and again...collateral damage is unacceptable but the outrage in this conflict has some underlying agenda...specially when there are cries of "genocide" when the deaths here are nowhere near "genocidal" levels...this isn't even close to the Black September massacre of palestinians by Jordan...you notice the pattern though? no outrage...why is this different despite the deaths of palestinians are result of retaliation by Israel, from Hamas...the deaths of palestinian civilians no matter the number was AVOIDABLE..until October 7 happened....
 

versitile1

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THAT's your criticism? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: Weird how I was the one that actually provided a date and a reference huh? NOT weird that you don't nor are able to quote the current #s. Facts aren't your thing are they?
Reality isn't your thing, is it?
IDF estimated around 20,000 dead around the same time the numbers from Gaza were around 10,000. Since you don't trust the numbers out of Gaza, you must believe the IDF estimate of about 2x the casualties. Knowing there's 2x the amount of dead Palestinian babies must make you so very happy.

 

toguy5252

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Ethnic cleansing, genocide etc or not, but criticism or even hatred of the state of Israel, is NOT Jew hatred.
if you have read my posts I have always said that crtisim and hatred of the state of Israel and its policies (and there is much to criticize) is not necessary antisemitism. Calls for the river to the sea is.
 
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Hamas releases 2 female hostages as ceasefire extends to a 7th day: Full coverage of Israel-Hamas war (yahoo.com)

It appears that the ceasefire pause has been extended. Hopefully it will keep being extended with more and more hostage/prisoners being exchanged.

This despite the killing of 3 innocent Israelis at a bus stop in Jerusalem yesterday, which Hamas has admitted was carried out by members of their military wing.

Thankfully Israel chose to not let that act of murderous and vile Hamas aggression scuttle the deal.

Anyways here we are closing in on 10,000 posts in this thread. How high can we go?
 

richaceg

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Reality isn't your thing, is it?
IDF estimated around 20,000 dead around the same time the numbers from Gaza were around 10,000. Since you don't trust the numbers out of Gaza, you must believe the IDF estimate of about 2x the casualties. Knowing there's 2x the amount of dead Palestinian babies must make you so very happy.

So IDF estimated they killed about 20k of Hamas terrorists...they didn't say palestinians...
 
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