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Phil C. McNasty

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mellowjello said:
Which war zone is that?
The one created by IDF occupying Palestinian territories? Imposing embargos, cutting off electricity, water, medicine, bombing hospitals, medical vehicles, murdering journalists, that war zone?
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No, the one created by Hamas when they commited atrocities in Oct 7, then scurried in the tunnels under Gaza exposing civilians to danger....that war zone...
 
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steelcitysid said:
Because he is actually using hard facts and because he is actually interviewing people who have been there first hand at the source of where all this is happening. Not bigots who hide behind a screen
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Sounds legit...Not...maybe dig a little deeper and find out who funds them....
 
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Frankfooter said:
You are ridiculous.
The only side that has ever had a ceasefire in the last decade has been Hamas, and a voluntary one at that.
There were attacks in 2008, 2011, 2014, 2018, 2021 and 2022.

And 'stormed' is how it has been reported in the press multiple times.
Your denial is just so sad at this point.

Why don't we start by refreshing your memory with parts of Amnesty's 2022 report.

ISRAEL AND OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES 2022
Israel’s continuing oppressive and discriminatory system of governing Palestinians in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) constituted a system of apartheid, and Israeli officials committed the crime of apartheid under international law. Israeli forces launched a three-day offensive on the occupied Gaza Strip in August during which they committed apparent war crimes. This compounded the impact of a 15-year ongoing Israeli blockade that amounts to illegal collective punishment and further fragments Palestinian territory. Israel escalated its crackdown on Palestinians’ freedom of association. It also imposed arbitrary restrictions on freedom of movement and closures that amounted to collective punishment, mainly in the northern West Bank, ostensibly in response to armed attacks by Palestinians on Israeli soldiers and settlers. The year saw a rise in the number of Palestinians unlawfully killed and seriously injured by Israeli forces during raids in the West Bank. Administrative detentions of Palestinians hit a 14-year high, and torture and other ill-treatment continued. Israeli forces demolished al-Araqib village in the Negev/Naqab for the 211th time. A further 35 Palestinian-Bedouin towns in Israel were still denied formal recognition and residents faced possible forcible transfer. Authorities failed to process asylum claims for thousands of asylum seekers, and imposed restrictions on their right to work.
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I get you are passionate about the Palestinians...I feel sorry for them too...but that passion...makes you turn a blind eye on Hamas...the terrorist group ruling Gaza...the one subjecting palestinians to the sufferings...the one making gaza an "open prison" or "concentration camp"... so tell me, are you willing to ignore terrorists because they are fighting Jews?
 
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PeteOsborne said:
A couple of videos I recommend for Frankfooter to watch.
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Thanks Pete, there is a fair amount of propaganda out about Al Shifa.
The big point being that Israel knew there was a bunker under the hospital because they built it in 1983.
The problem for them was it was totally unused, so they pretended Hamas would store metal weapons next to an MRI, that's just so unlikely.
 
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richaceg said:
I get you are passionate about the Palestinians...I feel sorry for them too...but that passion...makes you turn a blind eye on Hamas...the terrorist group ruling Gaza...the one subjecting palestinians to the sufferings...the one making gaza an "open prison" or "concentration camp"... so tell me, are you willing to ignore terrorists because they are fighting Jews?
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Your racism goes as far as not admitting that Palestinians have rights. Including the right to self defence against an occupation and blockade that are war crimes. Even basketcase admits Palestinians, including Hamas, have the right to self defence.

They don't have the right to target civilians, neither do Israelis. So I fully support investigations into all war crimes by both sides as part of a deescalation. Charge the leaders on both sides, end apartheid and give Palestinians full human rights.

None of that has anything to do with attitudes towards the Jewish people, only the zionist movement.
I keep repeating the Jewish groups who back the same views as I do, who are against apartheid, the occupation and zionism.

The question turns around and becomes, why are you so blind to war crimes and terrorism committed by the Israeli government and Zionist movement?
 
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Frankfooter said:
Your racism goes as far as not admitting that Palestinians have rights. Including the right to self defence against an occupation and blockade that are war crimes. Even basketcase admits Palestinians, including Hamas, have the right to self defence.

They don't have the right to target civilians, neither do Israelis. So I fully support investigations into all war crimes by both sides as part of a deescalation. Charge the leaders on both sides, end apartheid and give Palestinians full human rights.

None of that has anything to do with attitudes towards the Jewish people, only the zionist movement.
I keep repeating the Jewish groups who back the same views as I do, who are against apartheid, the occupation and zionism.

The question turns around and becomes, why are you so blind to war crimes and terrorism committed by the Israeli government and Zionist movement?
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Palestinians have rights franky...that's why they get to vote didn't they?
Hamas also has the right to self defense if they are defending...but they are not...
they are hell bent on killing jews....says so in their covenant...last updated Oct 7...
 
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richaceg said:
Palestinians have rights franky...that's why they get to vote didn't they?
Hamas also has the right to self defense if they are defending...but they are not...
they are hell bent on killing jews....says so in their covenant...last updated Oct 7...
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So had Hamas not killed any civilians on Oct 7 you would have accepted it as self defence?
 
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Frankfooter said:
Aggressor?

Israel is the military occupying power that has wiped Palestine off the maps.
How the f can you think they are 'victims'?

You gonna say that Putin is the victim in Ukraine next?
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apples and oranges...Putin commited an act of war...Hamas committed terrorism...
Terrorists don't play defense Franky, they are all offense...
read the covenant...
 
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Frankfooter said:
You do know that's how all states that commit genocide get their people to go along.
Demonize the fuck out of their opponents.
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Just like the way Gazan/Palestinian children are taught at a young age to hate Jews because they are the devil incarnate. They eat babies.

Because of all that, the demonization of Jews makes them believe that there should be genocide of Jews.
 
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