Yes, management was heavily criticized for the signing amount at the time. However, he was nowhere near this good at that time.
Leafs 2023-2024 Thread
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I'm starting to get a feeling we will see Nylander stay and Marner be dealt.
It seems to me that anyone who criticizes Willy is a “hater” . I’m sure I’m another one of those in your eyes.
”Mysterious hate” ? It’s mysterious to you only because you just turn a blind eye to his shot comings. In your mind you’re just looping all the high lite plays he makes but his half ass efforts, missing checks and selfish plays “mysteriously disappear” from your memory.
Sure Matthews and Marner have had bad games, but unlike Nylander, at least their effort’s are there the majority of time. I’ve always said Nylander has just as much if not more pure offensive talent but it’s the lack of effort, more so in years prior to this season, is holding him back from becoming a great player. So far this season he’s proving how great he can be with consistent great efforts.
I’ve heard your argument that it was because of his development and not his contract year that he’s playing great. Such a mysterious coincidence that he waited till his contract year to blossom but perhaps we can revisit this debate a few years after he gets his next big contract.
I don’t hate Willy the person, in fact I think he’s a good guy from what I can gather from the print and tv media. The fact that he takes the subway to work hints that he is maybe a down to earth kind of guy. I praise him when I see good effort and don’t think that I have a hate on Swedes. In fact Salming is my all time favourite Leaf. If you’re old enough to have watched him play you’d know what “effort, heart and grit” mean.
Yep. Marner isn't going anywhere until after 2024-2025 season.
It's impressive seeing him grow and mature right in front of our eyes.
Physically, mentally, maturity, understanding the game and reading the plays earlier, more grit and he's a rock in terms of his attitude. Never gets too high and is even keel during slower times.
TRADE HIM NOW WHEN HIS VALUE IS HIGHEST.
But contentious. Very many people thought it was too much. Based on the last season and a quarter the Jays are getting full value.
BYW, congrats to "The King" getting in the HOF.
Would be very hard to do with a M-NTC. Nylander won't agree to being traded. If anything Nylander's best move would be to play out the season and test free agency.
Nylander only has a modified 10 team no trade clause, regardless, I think you might have miss a typical Shack sarcasm.
I got the sarcasm. I forgot to mention that teams would worry about accepting a trade with a player whose contract is expiring and is a UFA.
Ok hate is too strong a word and not apt for most but I really don't know what word to use to describe all these negative opinions about Nylander. He's playing probably the best he could possibly play and yet the "strong dislikers" all they're looking for is negatives to throw at him. Hence grasping at air, what was, and what ifs. You don't hear any of the media spew out any negatives so it can't be that excuse anymore. What gives?
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There's always the trade and sign like Treliving did with Tkachuk but he got shafted in that deal so there's that.
I really think he'll be a Leaf next year and beyond. Leafs obviously want him and he certainly loves playing in Toronto.
Especially for all the fans who think he sucks. I say they'll find the money somewhere and wait it out one more year until the Tavares contract ends.
Who's been negative about Nylander?
He's playing better, people don't criticize now, that's not enough for you?
You just gush over this guy, jamming him down everyone's throats, you have from Day 1.
Gets a bit much.
I think smuddan got it pretty good.
He was the definition of a warrior. A Viking.
He'd have won more awards but he played in the era of Orr, Potvin and Robinson. Also Savard, Park and Lapointe. Think of those 6 all playing at the same time.
