Will Israelis or Palestinians Win the PR War?

Butler1000

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What were your "ideas" again? Oh yeah, that's right. Ethnic cleansing and collective punishment for Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the West Bank. I'm not here to convince you otherwise, but I will point out how despicable your statements are.
So what are your choices then? You seem to be reluctant to admit them.
 

versitile1

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The more civilians Hamas uses as human shields, the more collateral damage there will be.

If the shoe fits, wear it.
Oh yeah, you were the one who wanted to burn down the haystack to get the needle. What if it turns out all the hostages are dead, should the IDF kill all the Palestinians in Gaza then?
 
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versitile1

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So what are your choices then? You seem to be reluctant to admit them.
You're only interested in the ethnic cleansing and collective punishment of Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the West Bank. What's the point of trying to discuss anything with you. It's like trying to tell Slobodan Milosevic that ethnic cleansing the Bosnians was a bad idea.
 
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shack

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Oh yeah, you were the one who wanted to burn down the haystack to get the needle. What if it turns out all the hostages are dead, should the IDF kill all the Palestinians in Gaza then?
It depends if Hamas makes it unavoidable by continuing to put them in harm's way. Actually, frank thinks that is what Hamas will do when he theorizes that Israel will kill 1.2 million children.

A Hamas surrender would immediately save millions of lives, so much more than negotiating a ceasefire and waiting for sanctions to kick in. Those would take years and how many unnecessary deaths would that result in.

Surrender and release the hostages is the most humane thing to do to end this conflict.
 

Butler1000

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You're only interested in the ethnic cleansing and collective punishment of Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the West Bank. What's the point of trying to discuss anything with you. It's like trying to tell Slobodan Milosevic that ethnic cleansing the Bosnians was a bad idea.
Actually I'm interested in ending the problems. So here is your opportunity.

Here we will start with something basic. If a ceasefire is declared, and talks called for, who represents the Palestinians at the table with a neutral arbiter presiding?
 

versitile1

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"Say you support collective punishment without saying you support collective punishment."

shack; "Hold my beer".

It depends if Hamas makes it unavoidable by continuing to put them in harm's way. Actually, frank thinks that is what Hamas will do when he theorizes that Israel will kill 1.2 million children.

A Hamas surrender would immediately save millions of lives, so much more than negotiating a ceasefire and waiting for sanctions to kick in. Those would take years and how many unnecessary deaths would that result in.

Surrender and release the hostages is the most humane thing to do to end this conflict.
 

versitile1

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Actually I'm interested in ending the problems. So here is your opportunity.

Here we will start with something basic. If a ceasefire is declared, and talks called for, who represents the Palestinians at the table with a neutral arbiter presiding?
I don't believe you. You'll just use anything I suggest as an opportunity to; label all Palestinians as Hamas, bring up unrelated conflicts, claim to know what all Muslims that ever existed think, etc. You've stated yourself multiple times that the only way you see peace happening is if Israel ethnic cleanses the Palestinians, and resettles Gaza and the West Bank. Hamas are Palestinians but not all Palestinians are Hamas. Start there.
 
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Frankfooter

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I used your words to prove my points. And you have not even attempted to prove my line of thinking wrong. You can't. So all you can do is say I'm lying. LOL.

Hey frank, in retrospect with all that has happened in Gaza, do you think that the Oct. 7 attack was a good move? Was it worth it?

And I'll report you for lying about the meaning of my quote about "vermin". Out of my whole post you took this one line implying that I was talking about Palestinians and genocide.
The plague spreading vermin need to be eradicated and the whole civilized world know it.

Here's the whole post.



Who do you think I was talking about. But you had to resort to being deceptive making it sound like I was talking about Palestinians.

I'll say it again: Hamas are plague spreading vermin and they need to be eradicated.
Same thing, shack.

You don't differentiate between Palestinians and Hamas, you refuse to admit there are civilian Palestinians in Gaza, including children.
Not once have you ever admitted that there are civilians and every single post is about how every person at hospitals, schools, mosques, papers, ambulances or anywhere could be Hamas so therefore are 'vermin that need to be exterminated'.

I'll give you this post to clearly state your position on civilians in Gaza.
If you don't, I'll bookmark it and use it as proof of your support of genocide through labelling all Palestinians In Gaza as 'Hamas'.

Go ahead.
 

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For those interested, here is book how Singapore manages race and religion.
 
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shack

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Same thing, shack.

You don't differentiate between Palestinians and Hamas, you refuse to admit there are civilian Palestinians in Gaza, including children.
Not once have you ever admitted that there are civilians and every single post is about how every person at hospitals, schools, mosques, papers, ambulances or anywhere could be Hamas so therefore are 'vermin that need to be exterminated'.

I'll give you this post to clearly state your position on civilians in Gaza.
If you don't, I'll bookmark it and use it as proof of your support of genocide through labelling all Palestinians In Gaza as 'Hamas'.

Go ahead.
Your interpretation of my posts could not be more wrong. Whether it is an inability to comprehend due to an intellectual deficit or if it is your blind hatred of Jews, I do not know.

But unlike you, I will not hide under the covers when asked a difficult yet direct question. I'm hoping that it will be a template for you when also asked difficult questions.

I have the utmost sympathy for the civilians of Gaza. They do not deserve what is happening to them.

They are trapped between the mission of the IDF to rightfully defend their country by destroying the terrorist Hamas organization and Hamas who has no regard for their lives, let alone welfare, and have no compunction to use them as pawns/human shields. They are in a no-win situation. They are in this position through no fault of their own. But it was Hamas who initiated this current wave of violence and Hamas who is hanging them out to dry and absorb the bulk of Israel's easily anticipated response.

Truly, they deserve to live in a peaceful and prosperous society but Hamas is blocking this fulfillment at every turn.

So, in light of my candid response, I will ask you:

Do you feel that Hamas' terrorist attack of Oct 7 was a good tactical move? Has it helped the Palestinian cause? Are their lives better now than pre-Oct. 7?

TIA for your heartfelt and direct response.
 

Frankfooter

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Your interpretation of my posts could not be more wrong. Whether it is an inability to comprehend due to an intellectual deficit or if it is your blind hatred of Jews, I do not know.

But unlike you, I will not hide under the covers when asked a difficult yet direct question. I'm hoping that it will be a template for you when also asked difficult questions.

I have the utmost sympathy for the civilians of Gaza. They do not deserve what is happening to them.

They are trapped between the mission of the IDF to rightfully defend their country by destroying the terrorist Hamas organization and Hamas who has no regard for their lives, let alone welfare, and have no compunction to use them as pawns/human shields. They are in a no-win situation. They are in this position through no fault of their own. But it was Hamas who initiated this current wave of violence and Hamas who is hanging them out to dry and absorb the bulk of Israel's easily anticipated response.

Truly, they deserve to live in a peaceful and prosperous society but Hamas is blocking this fulfillment at every turn.

So, in light of my candid response, I will ask you:

Do you feel that Hamas' terrorist attack of Oct 7 was a good tactical move? Has it helped the Palestinian cause? Are their lives better now than pre-Oct. 7?

TIA for your heartfelt and direct response.
That is not a clear answer, shack.
Showing sympathy for the people you back killing doesn't clarify your views.

Do you support collective punishment on the civilians of Gaza, including depriving them of food, water and power?
Do you unequivocally state it is a war crime to target civilians or for them to suffer disproportionate casualties?
Do you think it is wrong to kill children during a war?
Do you think it is wrong to target civilian infrastructure?
70% of the deaths in Gaza are women and children, do you think that is acceptable or disproportionate?

Do you accept that Israel must not commit war crimes and should be charged, as should Hamas, for all war crimes committed?
 

Butler1000

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I don't believe you. You'll just use anything I suggest as an opportunity to; label all Palestinians as Hamas, bring up unrelated conflicts, claim to know what all Muslims that ever existed think, etc. You've stated yourself multiple times that the only way you see peace happening is if Israel ethnic cleanses the Palestinians, and resettles Gaza and the West Bank. Hamas are Palestinians but not all Palestinians are Hamas. Start there.
You are, then, by this type of statement, a perfect example of the Palestinian mindset. Refusal to acknowledge reality, refusal to acknowledge the existence of Israel and its right to exist. And refusal to talk.

There it is ladies and gents, in all its glory.

Enjoy your martyrdom. And continue to watch impotent until the end comes.
 
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versitile1

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You are, then, by this type of statement, a perfect example of the Palestinian mindset. Refusal to acknowledge reality, refusal to acknowledge the existence of Israel and its right to exist. And refusal to talk.

There it is ladies and gents, in all its glory.

Enjoy your martyrdom. And continue to watch impotent until the end comes.
No, that's me, refusing to acknowledge you. Because of your previous Islamophobic and hate-filled remarks. Why should I have a dialog with someone who sees an entire religion as a "death cult"? You change the way you see Muslims, denounce the ethnic cleansing and collective punishment of Palestinian civilians you so desperately want.

When did I refuse to acknowledge Israel and its right to exist? Liar. You're the one who refuses to acknowledge the Palestinians' right to exist. You want them all ethnic cleansed and collectively punished.

You are the perfect example of someone society doesn't need anymore. The world has rejected your ethnic cleansing ways many times. You will not be around to see your disgusting fantasy of Palestinians being ethnically cleansed come true.

Don't blame me for your despicable words, you wrote them, own them.
 
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