The debate is about whether or not you support genocide, shack.
Have you become the new Nazis or not?
Israel at war
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Have you become the new Nazis or not?
that's what happens when you allow terrorists build tunnels under civilian structures....when you declare war with your neighbors, you evacuate your civilians...Hamas obviously have no regard for civilians they're suppose to "protect"...
There's only 1 side when you battle terrorists...and Hamas are terrorists...
Um, you don't build those tunnels in a vacuum. The population knew. And supported Hamas.
And now as a result they are going to lose that 7km of land.
I've taken my pick...Why not call Israel what you intend to call it? Why hide behind a question...what do you think of Israel? there are palestinians who don't support the violence and would gladly evacuate for their safety...then you have palestinians who welcome the violence....and dying in war as long as they take some Jews with them is the ultimate gateway to heaven....does Israel troops just fire on civilian point blank the way Hamas did? No they don't...
What princes of compassion! Wonder how helpful their weeks long abduction was for their health care needs?
Amazing that it only took weeks to make such a tough call of compassion!
You think this is to their credit, yet to me it screams of their inhumanity.
Israel is holding old ladies and sick children as hostages? News to me!
So your opinion of them is what I picked? They are far from it...
They accept LGBTQ, they're population is diverse, a lot of asians go there for livelihood and work (such racists), Muslims live harmoniously alongside jews in Israel.... I don't know how you arrived in your opinion about Israel...you're free to have it....
Not that the population could do anything about it if they tried, I guess.
But I assume that the population's access to information is 100% controlled by HAMAS and they are dragooned and bullied and that means that most of them are sympathetic to HAMAS and its way of doing business.
Just like you can't really blame the German population in the 1930's and 1940's for Hitler and the Nazis, but you can be damned sure that many - if not most - Germans were cheering for Hitler pretty hard, right up until the end.
Why the fuck were those poor, sick, innocent people being held captive to being with?!?!?!.....
And don't give me the standard horseshit about "resistance to the occupation"! A sick 12 year old boy and a 77 year old woman is not "the occupation".
ALL the hostages should be set free and their abductors turned over to the Israeli government for justice and punishment.
Its a double standard. Calling for Hamas to surrender and releaze hostages should have been the FIRST step towards a conflict resolution.
Predictably,
1. The pro palestine cause wont acknowledge that because it would imply (obvious) fault by Hamas.
2. Hamas wont surrender. Which means war. And in war when Hamas kills their “own ppl” and uses them as human shields, what do they expect IDF to do? Ground assault would be necessary but more IDF casualties would occur.
3. Ceasfire? People arent thinking rationally. You cant reason with terrorists. Resolving the issue with a 2 state solution has been rejected everytime. Simply put, the pro palestine side isnt offering any realistic peace resolution. It sucks that palestinian civilians are dying. Whose fault is that? Depends who you ask, but for me the onus is on Hamas and their supporters.
Welp....Hamas launched an attack on Oct 7...killed civilians point blank, burn kibbutz, kill children, kidnapped civilians....klatuu probably don't think all of that happened and just showing you how kindhearted Hamas are...
Tell that to the thousand plus Palestinians, including women and children, held without charge, access to a lawyer and without any disclosed evidence. Add another couple of thousand Palestinians in jail on trumped up charges.
No. You don't get to excuse war atrocities against innocent people by vaguely saying that the other side does bad things as well.
Smarten up! Own that you support HAMAS - terrorist pigs that should be lined up in front of a fucking wall and shot - and admit that those Israeli hostages need to be released right now!
And therefore responsible for Israel's response (which they knew was coming but didn't care) and right to defend itself. They have declared war on Israel. We are seeing the consequences of war. They knowingly put their own people at risk.
You reap what you sow.
Talk is cheap. What actions have they taken to help Gazans? They're not even taking refugees. They talk but do NOTHING to help.
Morals change continuously. It used to be ok to have slaves. Not now. Germany of 100 years ago is not the Germany of now.
We live our daily lives by the moral standards of the west. Or should we live our lives by Hamas' moral standards.
And in the same breath you talk about 75 years of oppression and how that can't be separated from what happened. We can't live in vacuum you. So you say you condemn Oct. 7 and then give justification for it. You can't legitimately talk out of both sides of your mouth.
South Africa created it and set the terms. It was discrimination of their own citizens based on skin colour. In ANY country of the world no non-citizens get the same rights as legitimate citizens do.
Are Gazans treated differently than Israelis? Sure. But come up with another term because "by definition" it is not apartheid.
Oh! And by the way, the fact that Israel has instituted measures against Gaza that are oppressive DID NOT HAPPEN IN A VACUUM (Back at ya'.). Rockets were being fired from Gaza.
Israel’s apartheid against Palestinians: a cruel system of domination and a crime against humanity
Israeli authorities must be held accountable for committing the crime of apartheid against Palestinians, Amnesty International said today in a damning new report. The investigation details how Israel enforces a system of oppression and domination against the Palestinian people wherever it has...
www.amnesty.org
In 2010 Frank Johansson, the chairman of Amnesty International-Finland called Israel a nilkkimaa, a derogatory term variously translated as "scum state", "creep state" or "punk state".[47][48] Johansson stood by his statement, saying that it was based on Israel's "repeated flouting of international law", and his own personal experiences with Israelis. When asked by a journalist if any other country on earth that could be described in these terms, he said that he could not think of any
In November 2012, Amnesty UK began a disciplinary process against staffer Kristyan Benedict, Amnesty UK campaigns manager, because of a posting on his Twitter account, said to be anti-semitic, regarding three Jewish members of parliament and Operation Pillar of Defense where he wrote: "Louise Ellman, Robert Halfon and Luciana Berger walk into a bar ... each orders a round of B52s .
In the April 2015 annual Amnesty International UK AGM, delegates voted (468 votes to 461) against a motion proposing a campaign against antisemitism in the UK. The debate on the motion formed a consensus that Amnesty should fight "discrimination against all ethnic and religious groups", but were divided over the issue of an anti-racism campaign with a "single focus". The Jewish Chronicle noted that Amnesty International had previously published a report on discrimination against Muslims in Europe. NGO monitor released a statement saying the decision "highlights the hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy of what was once a leader in human rights advocacy
Those are not the words and actions of impartial people.
Maybe because the Jews make better corned beef for their corned beef and cabbage.
So you admit this is war and not genocide?
What should the IDF do? Ask Hamas to come to the negotiating table aftee 1400+ were slaughtered? Ground assault? Do nothing?
You just labelled the entire Israel racist as a whole...How many Israelis do you know personally? I've been to tel aviv, I've been to Saudi, I've been to Qatar...as an Asian, I haven't been treated badly in all 3...and I know people who live there...and having lived there briefly, I can't come up with an opinion that would deem Israelis, Arabs (Saudi & Qatar) as racist towards another race...
