Israel at war

shack

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I won't speak for others. I will speak for myself.

I have called out October 7 as a terrorist attack. I consider Hamas as a terrorist group. I do think Hamas need to be neutralized. But how, they take out Hamas is where my dispute is. Not by carpet bombing Gaza.

I also do not believe in taking Hamas to the Hague. They are a terrorist group, so perhaps a covert military operation is needed to take them out or cripple them by targeting their leaders. Israel am not sure how the ICC will be able to do anything, since Israel is not even a signatory to the ICC. I would care more about ousting Bibi and electing a government that is open to ending the conflict via dialogue.
Thanks for the reply. I actually replied to my own post as I found a previous one of yours which answered my questions.
 

mitchell76

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Scoop: The owner of Caffe Aronne in Manhattan has been donating proceeds to the Israeli equivalence of the Red Cross. Staff at the Upper Eastside location became upset and began wearing Palestine symbols in protest before all quitting. Now, many in the Jewish and/or Israeli community are supporting the cafe.
 

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as time went on, it was clear that Israel was just collectively punishing the Palestinians. What is wrong with changing one's opinions when you see what is happening right in front of you?
How is it clear? From sources controlled by hamas such as their ministry of health or whatever? Has hamas returned hostages? Does hamas have any incentive not to repeat October 7? Does israel have a way to deal with hamas other than what they are doing now?
 

Frankfooter

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Fair enough.

From what I've seen in mainstream, non-propaganda western media, it seems to be generally accepted that Hamas HAS and IS CURRENTLY employing the use of human shields. There are only a few interviews I've seen where that gets challenged.
The MSM repeats IDF claims.
But there is no evidence to back up IDF claims.

But again, even if Hamas is using human shields that doesn't mean Israel is then justified in killing civilians.
Its still a war crime.

A war crime you refuse to condemn and activeley support.
 
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Frankfooter

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Hi Everyone , Aaron Dahan (ramaz graduate) has a coffee shop on 71st and Lexington called Caffe Arrone. He has been donating proceeds to Israel since October 7th. Today his baristas came to work wearing palestinian pins. It was reported to him so he went there to confront them and they all quit. His mom Peggy Dahan is now running the store today.
Boycotting that place is justified.
 
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Frankfooter

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How is it clear? From sources controlled by hamas such as their ministry of health or whatever? Has hamas returned hostages? Does hamas have any incentive not to repeat October 7? Does israel have a way to deal with hamas other than what they are doing now?
Your racism means you will never accept the word of any Palestinian.
So lets use international sources.



 
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Frankfooter

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What would you suggest?
Do you have any suggestions other than genocide and ethnic cleansing?

Do you support continuing the occupation?
Do you support continuing apartheid?

Today Netanyahu floated Israel having 'security' control over Gaza, or a return to the pre 2005 situation.
Biden poo pooed that choice.

Netanyahu has no plan, he has no achievable end to this war.
 
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mitchell76

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Listen you virulent antisemite, just answer one question: Does Israel have a right to exist? If you say no, leave Congress as a treasonous Jew hater. If you say yes, then explain how Israel can exist with Hamas on its border. You can’t. That’s why Israel is at war with Hamas. Unfortunately there are casualties of war but Israel is doing all it can to avoid them. In contrast, Hamas is doing all it can to increase those casualties — dead Palestinian children are an integral component of its military strategy. So either condemn Hamas or leave our country and join them
 
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Frankfooter

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Listen you virulent antisemite, just answer one question: Does Israel have a right to exist? If you say no, leave Congress as a treasonous Jew hater. If you say yes, then explain how Israel can exist with Hamas on its border. You can’t. That’s why Israel is at war with Hamas. Unfortunately there are casualties of war but Israel is doing all it can to avoid them. In contrast, Hamas is doing all it can to increase those casualties — dead Palestinian children are an integral component of its military strategy. So either condemn Hamas or leave our country and join them
Under what law does any country have a 'right to exist'?
Where does this right come from?

Does it also apply to Palestine?
 

Butler1000

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I am sure there are ways to deal with Hamas other than actually carpet bombing Gaza and empowering Hamas, making them more popular amongst the Gazans. And they did release pages of names and their ID info if I am right detailing the ones who were killed. Is it even doubtful seeing the carnage on media? This is just a gaslighting move pursued by Biden to downplay the human rights crisis. That is evil as fuck.
You are assuming reasonableness.
 
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