Israel at war
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Hilarious.
You think its one sided to expect both sides to negotiate and concede points.
And you think that makes you credible?
Describe what you think that what the endstate would be if Hamas surrenders completely.
I'm all for negotiations.
Ceasefire and negotiate for returning all prisoners/hostages on both sides.
Charge the leaders of both sides for all war crimes.
End apartheid.
End the occupation.
Stop the genocide.
Why are you against this?
So you think Israel is as evil as the war in Darfur?
I may agree with you for once.
You need to bomb to destroy military infrastructure and defense systems. Large scale covert ops without advance bombing would have been suicide missions. Diplomacy would have been an insane response to the murder of 1400 civilians. That approach would have ensured further attacks, which is unacceptable.
The long term results can be assessed after Israel says their mission is complete, not before.
There's nothing wrong with using a place where children used to play as a base of operations. That's been very common throughout modern warfare. Schools, especially European boarding schools, are great places for makeshift barracks or field kitchens. Church steeples make for great observation posts. Playgrounds and sports fields are nice and open to accommodate a temporary motor pool or an improvised helipad or a bivouac.
The problem is using a place with children currently playing there as a base of operations. And that's not shown in this video. Did Hamas kick the kids out before they moved in? If so, there's nothing wrong with this from what I can see. This is fairly common in MOUT or FIBUA.
Aside from the fact that Hamas are terrorists chucking missiles at civilians, of course. But that's not the topic of this video; this video is implying kids were there being used as human shields. But implication is not proof.
As with all the other videos I've seen from them in this war so far, the IDF aren't releasing anything that conclusively establishes their narrative. If you want to take it on faith that what they claim is actually what's happening, that's your prerogative. Seems like a silly thing to do if you're one of the people calling out "the other side" for doing that though.
Covert Ops don't operate on Hostile territories. They usually operate on Neutral territories...Diplomacy? are you kidding? Did Israel carpet bomb gaza or they bomb gaza or selected areas? be specific
There's that phrase again...75 years of oppression...so let's forget anything past 75 years where Jews were displaced and massacred...let's just pick a date to start where you can conveniently defend your argument....
So there were no Canadian and US covert ops in Afghanistan during the war? No US covert ops in Iraq? Posts like this just shows everyone you're making shit up. Also, is your "period" button stuck? Because normal people just use one at the end of most sentences. Unless you're mad about something.....
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You're watching too much movies...Covert ops does the investigation, surveilance and confirmation...they rarely do sleeper jobs in hostile territories. they rarely give up their position and identity...they seek out target and relay info...how do you think Israel found out about the tunnels and where the rockets are being fired? they don't operate the way you hope they do....
It's now only an issue of "apartheid" because the jews got the upperhand on the conflict in palestine...Remember the majority of Jews in present day Israel, to the tune of 70% if I am right, come from the middle east and north Africa. These Jews historically lived under majority Muslim rule and were safe. It was only the Ashkenazi Jews from Europe who were slaughtered and massacred. That is an important distinction to make and understand. After Israel's formation, many in North Africa and the Middle East may have encountered discrimination, as backlash, but the massacring was primarily in Europe. Also, even before the formation of Israel, remember that Jews formed paramilitary groups like the Haganah, Irgun, Lehi etc., who themselves were engaged in massacring Arabs. Check this for instance:
Deir Yassin massacre - Wikipedia
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Now, Arabs also did it. For example:
1929 Hebron massacre - Wikipedia
So, it is not important to look at anything prior to 1948. It was filled with blood shed, perpetrated by both sides. It is only after Israel was victorious in the 1948 war, that they started to take territory, and people were displaced and the current accusation of oppression of the Palestinians started.
1920 Nebi Musa riots - Wikipedia
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Jaffa riots - Wikipedia
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1929 Palestine riots - Wikipedia
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1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine - Wikipedia
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What..... does..... this..... even......mean???
I think richatroll's "extensive knowledge" of "covert operations" and the "tactics" they use comes from years of training.
Status quo is not great but it beats the elimination of israel
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and should be acknowledged that violence has been existing on both sides centuries, not 1947...the attempt of annihilating Jews didn't start with Hamas...the refusal to recognize a Jewish state came as early as the Balfour declaration....Arabs rejected the 2 state proposal...Why is there so much resilience to a Jewish state?There are plenty of massacres by Jews as well. And yes, the Jews got the upper hand in the conflict, and started instituting racist and apartheid policies. So they are being rightfully accused of being a racist and apartheid state.
Here you will find both Arab and Jewish massacres pre-Israel. A screenshot below as well.
List of killings and massacres in Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia
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The Israelis are taking a different approach this time. What you urge on them is the approach they took in the past, which as you acknowledge, would be advice only the insane would take.
You don't understand what a war crime is, despite the attempts of many to explain it to you. On your definition, Allied bombing of German factories, or the bombing of headquarter facilities in urban centres, were war crimes. Your rules of engagement would mean certain death to the Israelis, and that's what they are fighting to avoid. No sane Israeli commander would take your advice.
Diplomacy can only succeed with a party who wants piece, and is rational. Thus, the need to displace Hamas.
What people hate are terrorists, and that hatred is well earned. Positive change can only occur once the Hamas terrorism stops.
