Israel at war

Frankfooter

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You didn't address my point, that the claim that non-Muslims hate Jews because of their "oppression" of Palestinians is false, because Jews have been hated by non-Muslims throughout history. Do you deny that?
Stop with the antisemitic tropes, shack.

This is a discussion about Zionism, Jewish supremacy and settler colonialism.
Clearly not about the entire Jewish population, that's a trope.

 

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No, Netanyahu would not agree to a ceasefire.

Netanyahu allowed this attack to happen to distract the public from the mass protests against his government and the ongoing corruption investigations. He can't stop this attack now as he'd have to admit he failed to kill all of Hamas. His government would fail, the corruption trials continue and he'll be open to war crimes charges. Netanyahu will go as far as Biden will allow him at this point.



I see, so he's lying then?


Monday, Netanyahu reiterated that would not accept a ceasefire until Hamas releases its captives in Gaza, but signalled his openness to “tactical little pauses” to allow the movement of people and aid.


 

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I see, so he's lying then?

Monday, Netanyahu reiterated that would not accept a ceasefire until Hamas releases its captives in Gaza, but signalled his openness to “tactical little pauses” to allow the movement of people and aid.


Yes, Netanyahu is lying.

Hamas voluntarily released 5 hostages and has repeatedly offered to release the rest in prisoner trades.
 
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See post #6225, point #3 (c). Criticism of Israel is not antisemitism.

And you are right, it was the Muslims under whom the Jews were safer.

So clearly, the pro-Palestinian protests have nothing to do with Islam, but everything to do with Israel's oppression of the Palestinians.
You are deflecting. History has show that Jews have been persecuted throughout history by non-Muslims? Do you think that has stopped? Looks at Charlottesville.
I am asserting that people who hate Jews can wrap themselves in the Palestinian flag all they want, but it is a disguise to hide their innate hate of Jews.

I know from your post, that you know, what you are posting is absolute gibberish. 😂

I just don't understand why you would take the time and effort to do it. 😂
So typical. When you don't have facts on your side, you can only resort to calling other people that they're liars.

Do you accept Conil's posts showing proof of Hamas hiding under hospitals or are you going with the "lies defense"? 😂 😂 😂
 

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Yes, Netanyahu is lying.

Hamas voluntarily released 5 hostages and has repeatedly offered to release the rest in prisoner trades.
Why on earth would Israel reward Hamas with a trade, NO, you want to protect your people, release the hostages you barbarically kidnapped on OCT 7. If they did release ALL the hostages, stop hurling missiles Israel would have no choice but to call a ceasefire. If Hammas cared for it's people, this is exactly what they would do but they don't, they don't give a rat's ass about their civilians.

ps....I do think Netty is an asshole and should be thrown out ASAP.
 
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richaceg

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Holy shit!
You finally admitted Palestinians are human beings.

Next you need to say that human beings all deserve basic human rights.
Or maybe that human beings shouldn't be subjected to genocide.

Its a start!

Lol...nice try...since when did I not say Palestinians are human beings?
You're the one who thinks Hamas are freedom fightes....just shows how far from reality you are...
 

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Yes, Netanyahu is lying.

Hamas voluntarily released 5 hostages and has repeatedly offered to release the rest in prisoner trades.
You're a joke LoL...
in what world do you think that's acceptible?
If you release civilians, they go back to their daily lives with trauma...If you release prisoners...they go back to war...I don't wanna call you names but you're making it hard for me...LoL
 
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You are deflecting. History has show that Jews have been persecuted throughout history by non-Muslims? Do you think that has stopped? Looks at Charlottesville.
I am asserting that people who hate Jews can wrap themselves in the Palestinian flag all they want, but it is a disguise to hide their innate hate of Jews.
Charlottesville was right winger/white supremacists. Sort of like the Jewish supremacists on your team.
Hate crimes are unsurprisingly up on both Muslims and Jews right now. The best thing to end them would be a ceasefire and solution to the occupation.


Do you accept Conil's posts showing proof of Hamas hiding under hospitals or are you going with the "lies defense"? 😂 😂 😂
Its a fuel supply entrance. Qatar announced this and Hamas has requested the UN come in and inspect all hospitals for tunnels.
The IDF claims are nonsense.
 

Frankfooter

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Why on earth would Israel reward Hamas with a trade, NO, you want to protect your people, release the hostages you barbarically kidnapped on OCT 7. If they did release ALL the hostages, stop hurling missiles Israel would have no choice but to call a ceasefire. If Hammas cared for it's people, this is exactly what they would do but they don't, they don't give a rat's ass about their civilians.

ps....I do think Netty is an asshole and should be thrown out ASAP.
And why would Hamas reward Israel for genocide by releasing the hostages?
Israel clearly doesn't care about them, they've already bombed 60 of them to death.
Israel is also holding thousands of Palestinians as prisoners.

You have a choice, continue with the genocide until international pressure stops you and you're the new Nazis or try to figure out how to peacefully resolve the situation.

Why would you choose more genocide?
 

Frankfooter

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You're a joke LoL...
in what world do you think that's acceptible?
If you release civilians, they go back to their daily lives with trauma...If you release prisoners...they go back to war...I don't wanna call you names but you're making it hard for me...LoL
So you think neither side should release anyone?

Netanyahu is the real problem.

Bibi's blame game over Hamas attack draws backlash
 

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Despite the hundreds of posts on this thread, I don't see much sign of affecting the outlook of the 3 or 4 defenders of Hamas on this forum (and/or defenders of the idea that the civilians of Gaza are opposed to Hamas and their actions).

Sometimes a decisive military victory is the only was to terminate an evil ideology, especially when that ideology is rooted in irrationality. It was the only way that Nazism was going to be stopped. Had the Allies stopped at the border of Germany following their D-Day landing, the Nazis would have regrouped, continued to murder Jews (and other undesireables) within their borders, and struck outward again when the time seemed right. Likewise, the totalitarian Japanese government were not going to withdraw and cease all hostilities without the unanswerable force of the atomic bombings.

This current conflict will go on until the Israelis either achieve complete military victory against Hamas (and Hezbollah, if they join the conflict) or the Israelis utterly fail to do so. This is an existential war, so I expect the Israelis to apply all of their resources to the task. Do not expect a ceasefire. There can only be an armistice if Hamas surrenders unconditionally.

Darwin was wrong. Human development has ceased to be governed by survival of the fittest. Instead, the mentally unstable reproduce in abundance. That fact alone sets civilization on a collision course for conflicts like the current war in the middle east. Sad, but inevitable. All we can hope for are periods of largely sustained peace following wars (which we have had, post WWII). Hopefully, we will have another period of peace once this war is over. But we won't, if Hamas is successful.
 

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And why would Hamas reward Israel for genocide by releasing the hostages?
Israel clearly doesn't care about them, they've already bombed 60 of them to death.
Israel is also holding thousands of Palestinians as prisoners.

You have a choice, continue with the genocide until international pressure stops you and you're the new Nazis or try to figure out how to peacefully resolve the situation.

Why would you choose more genocide?
It is posts like this where you lose any credibility in your stance. Your stance is one-sided and you seem to be on the side of Hamas.
 
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Okay, when you get to the source, make sure there are no humans in the way. If you kill 500 civilians in an attempt to take down 1 or 2 rocket silos, then that is still a war crime, because the civilian losses incurred are not proportional to the value the military objective achieved (am sure that wouldn't be considered proportional, but if you or someone else is willing to provide evidence that it is indeed proportional, then go for it).
and other than tweets, what evidence do you have that it wasn't proportionate? the war is still going on...rockets are still being fired...Why are there civilians in the war zone?
 

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And why would Hamas reward Israel for genocide by releasing the hostages?
So wait...Hamas, foreseen the future that if they take hostages...there will be "genocide" commited...so if they didn't take hostages..."genocide" could've been avoided?
 

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Why are there civilians in a war zone? Because the war zone is a civilian area.

Tweets are not the evidence. Reports from several human rights organizations, UN observers, past investigations on war crimes, the rhetoric in Israeli media and government, the actual evidence and death toll from the ground are your evidence.
Exactly...Why did Hamas made the entire Gaza a war zone?
 
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