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Hamas leaders lead luxurious lives of billionaires - BILD. More than 2 million people live in the Gaza strip, 39% of whom have no jobs. Yet among them are several hundred dollar millionaires. These are Hamas leaders who live in luxury villas, brag on social media about limousines and stay in the most expensive hotels. “Hamas has generated vast sums of revenue through its secret investment portfolio while destabilising Gaza, which is facing harsh living and economic conditions,” - Elizabeth Rosenberg, a US Treasury official. Here are the main members of the Hamas elite

Ismail Haniyeh, 61. Hamas leader and head of Gaza's government has been living abroad since 2019. The father of 13 children runs militias from luxury hotels in Qatar and Turkey. He travels between Tehran, Istanbul, Moscow and Cairo in a private jet. His son Maaz is a major real estate owner in Gaza, where he is called "the father of houses." In Turkey, he is often seen with women and alcohol, which is against the laws of Islam. The Haniyeh family's estimated fortune is $2.5 billion.

Khaled Mashal, 67. Former Hamas political bureau chief fled Damascus for Qatar in 2012 with $1.5 billion. He now controls the real estate and financial operations of the grouping from Doha.

Mousa Abu Marzouk, 72. The second most important Hamas leader in charge of international relations. He lived for 14 years in the US, where his six children were born. His fortune is estimated at $2 billion.

Yunis Kafisheh, 67. Responsible for Hamas finances, lives in Istanbul. Turkish president issued him a Turkish passport under the name Hashemet Aslan. There is a construction firm working on behalf of Hamas there, which made about 2 million euros in 2022.

Palestinians in Gaza are hostages of Hamas which does not care about ordinary people. They are interested in their suffering, and it is on their suffering that they make money and strengthen their power. The poorer and more destitute the population is, the more it is exposed to propaganda and intimidation, and the easier it is to control. We see a similar situation in other dictatorships, where wealth, power, and security forces are concentrated in a small group that controls a completely disempowered and submissive population. How can this situation be changed? And will the long path of evolution, education, and economic stabilization help? These are extremely difficult questions. But undoubtedly, the main thing is to stop the killing of civilians everywhere.
 
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Its because they are clever about what they say to the world. The video below contains some examples of quotes from folks like Ben-Gurion, who are people I take as actual and serious representatives of the Israeli national psyche.

LOL. Those clever jews. Fortunately you are smart enough to discern their unacknowledged objectives. You are too funny and quite desperate. You have joined the ranks of gryphon and frankie. Congratulations.
 

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You'd think that with all the snipers, guard towers, drones and intel that the concentration camp should have been totally safe.
Nobody is safe when noble indigenous Palestinians decide to go on a killing spree!
 

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No, stop with the gaslighting.
Excuse me. You are constantly putting words in other people's mouths.

Once again, you think that you are so witty when you intentionally misinterpret other people's posts. The only difference here is that my post was not a misinterpretation. Unlike you, I spelled out my reasoning, to justify my correct conclusion.

You dish it out but you can't take. It's like supporting the Oct. 7 attack but whining when Israel strikes back. At least you are consistent.
 

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LOL. Those clever jews. Fortunately you are smart enough to discern their unacknowledged objectives. You are too funny and quite desperate. You have joined the ranks of gryphon and frankie. Congratulations.

Unacknowledged? You gloat about it, you duplicitous racist.

gryfin;4863205 said:
Actually, it's Israel's Jews that are being the fed the dream of pushing Palestinians into the sea. The fantasy of a Jewish only Israel is the wet dream of Zionism. And they've been trying to do it for more than 50 years.

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LOL. Trying? You mean succeeding. You are a funny clown. Always pathetic and increasingly desperate and silly. Keep up the good work.
 
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Hamas leaders lead luxurious lives of billionaires - BILD. More than 2 million people live in the Gaza strip, 39% of whom have no jobs. Yet among them are several hundred dollar millionaires. These are Hamas leaders who live in luxury villas, brag on social media about limousines and stay in the most expensive hotels. “Hamas has generated vast sums of revenue through its secret investment portfolio while destabilising Gaza, which is facing harsh living and economic conditions,” - Elizabeth Rosenberg, a US Treasury official. Here are the main members of the Hamas elite

Ismail Haniyeh, 61. Hamas leader and head of Gaza's government has been living abroad since 2019. The father of 13 children runs militias from luxury hotels in Qatar and Turkey. He travels between Tehran, Istanbul, Moscow and Cairo in a private jet. His son Maaz is a major real estate owner in Gaza, where he is called "the father of houses." In Turkey, he is often seen with women and alcohol, which is against the laws of Islam. The Haniyeh family's estimated fortune is $2.5 billion.

Khaled Mashal, 67. Former Hamas political bureau chief fled Damascus for Qatar in 2012 with $1.5 billion. He now controls the real estate and financial operations of the grouping from Doha.

Mousa Abu Marzouk, 72. The second most important Hamas leader in charge of international relations. He lived for 14 years in the US, where his six children were born. His fortune is estimated at $2 billion.

Yunis Kafisheh, 67. Responsible for Hamas finances, lives in Istanbul. Turkish president issued him a Turkish passport under the name Hashemet Aslan. There is a construction firm working on behalf of Hamas there, which made about 2 million euros in 2022.

Palestinians in Gaza are hostages of Hamas which does not care about ordinary people. They are interested in their suffering, and it is on their suffering that they make money and strengthen their power. The poorer and more destitute the population is, the more it is exposed to propaganda and intimidation, and the easier it is to control. We see a similar situation in other dictatorships, where wealth, power, and security forces are concentrated in a small group that controls a completely disempowered and submissive population. How can this situation be changed? And will the long path of evolution, education, and economic stabilization help? These are extremely difficult questions. But undoubtedly, the main thing is to stop the killing of civilians everywhere.
Those claims that Hamas are billionaires were debunked a while ago.
Regardless, is this claim somehow to argue that Israeli war crimes are somehow justified?

Remember Netanyahu arguing that you needed more violence on civilians to win the GWOT?
 

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Is your argument that Israel attacking Gaza for 17 years, with bombs and blockade has made them so angry you don't think they can live peacefully with Israelis so you need to keep dropping more bombs on them?
No. The argument is that in 17 years, Hamas has not learned to stop firing rockets and conducting attacks on Israel even thought they know Israel will retaliate and inflict even more damage. Are they that stupid? I guess they're not worried.
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So as someone noted. 300 000 Yemeni civilians killed. Another 200 000+ Syrian civilians killed.

By Muslims. With no protests. No mass demonstrations.

I don't understand the mindset of Muslims. But I don't have to. Muslim hate and kill other Muslims.

That tells me everything I need to know.
 
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Butler1000

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The population of Gaza in 1948 was about 100,000

The population now is over 2 million.

This has to be the most piss poor attempt at "genocide" in the history of man.....
 

Butler1000

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Gaza was just one small part of the larger landmass of Palestine and Israel (as divided by the UN). The total Arab population at that time was about 950K spread throughout present day Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.

You need lessons in both geography and history.
Another 3 million in the west bank.

So even by your measure the population have increased over 5 fold.......still a damn piss poor attempt.

They maybe need a dictionary before they continue with the revised history and geography books
 

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Another 200 000+ Syrian civilians killed.

By Muslims. With no protests. No mass demonstrations.
Actually much more than 200,000. No protests probably because a Muslim killed by another Muslim is less dead.

Casualties of the Syrian civil war
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Estimates of the total number of deaths in the Syrian Civil War, by opposition activist groups, vary between 503,064 and about 613,407 as of March 2023.
 
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