Israel at war

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Hamas leaders lead luxurious lives of billionaires - BILD. More than 2 million people live in the Gaza strip, 39% of whom have no jobs. Yet among them are several hundred dollar millionaires. These are Hamas leaders who live in luxury villas, brag on social media about limousines and stay in the most expensive hotels. “Hamas has generated vast sums of revenue through its secret investment portfolio while destabilising Gaza, which is facing harsh living and economic conditions,” - Elizabeth Rosenberg, a US Treasury official. Here are the main members of the Hamas elite

Ismail Haniyeh, 61. Hamas leader and head of Gaza's government has been living abroad since 2019. The father of 13 children runs militias from luxury hotels in Qatar and Turkey. He travels between Tehran, Istanbul, Moscow and Cairo in a private jet. His son Maaz is a major real estate owner in Gaza, where he is called "the father of houses." In Turkey, he is often seen with women and alcohol, which is against the laws of Islam. The Haniyeh family's estimated fortune is $2.5 billion.

Khaled Mashal, 67. Former Hamas political bureau chief fled Damascus for Qatar in 2012 with $1.5 billion. He now controls the real estate and financial operations of the grouping from Doha.

Mousa Abu Marzouk, 72. The second most important Hamas leader in charge of international relations. He lived for 14 years in the US, where his six children were born. His fortune is estimated at $2 billion.

Yunis Kafisheh, 67. Responsible for Hamas finances, lives in Istanbul. Turkish president issued him a Turkish passport under the name Hashemet Aslan. There is a construction firm working on behalf of Hamas there, which made about 2 million euros in 2022.

Palestinians in Gaza are hostages of Hamas which does not care about ordinary people. They are interested in their suffering, and it is on their suffering that they make money and strengthen their power. The poorer and more destitute the population is, the more it is exposed to propaganda and intimidation, and the easier it is to control. We see a similar situation in other dictatorships, where wealth, power, and security forces are concentrated in a small group that controls a completely disempowered and submissive population. How can this situation be changed? And will the long path of evolution, education, and economic stabilization help? These are extremely difficult questions. But undoubtedly, the main thing is to stop the killing of civilians everywhere.
Those claims that Hamas are billionaires were debunked a while ago.
Regardless, is this claim somehow to argue that Israeli war crimes are somehow justified?

Remember Netanyahu arguing that you needed more violence on civilians to win the GWOT?
 

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Is your argument that Israel attacking Gaza for 17 years, with bombs and blockade has made them so angry you don't think they can live peacefully with Israelis so you need to keep dropping more bombs on them?
No. The argument is that in 17 years, Hamas has not learned to stop firing rockets and conducting attacks on Israel even thought they know Israel will retaliate and inflict even more damage. Are they that stupid? I guess they're not worried.
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So as someone noted. 300 000 Yemeni civilians killed. Another 200 000+ Syrian civilians killed.

By Muslims. With no protests. No mass demonstrations.

I don't understand the mindset of Muslims. But I don't have to. Muslim hate and kill other Muslims.

That tells me everything I need to know.
 
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The population of Gaza in 1948 was about 100,000

The population now is over 2 million.

This has to be the most piss poor attempt at "genocide" in the history of man.....
 

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Gaza was just one small part of the larger landmass of Palestine and Israel (as divided by the UN). The total Arab population at that time was about 950K spread throughout present day Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.

You need lessons in both geography and history.
Another 3 million in the west bank.

So even by your measure the population have increased over 5 fold.......still a damn piss poor attempt.

They maybe need a dictionary before they continue with the revised history and geography books
 

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Another 200 000+ Syrian civilians killed.

By Muslims. With no protests. No mass demonstrations.
Actually much more than 200,000. No protests probably because a Muslim killed by another Muslim is less dead.

Casualties of the Syrian civil war
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Estimates of the total number of deaths in the Syrian Civil War, by opposition activist groups, vary between 503,064 and about 613,407 as of March 2023.
 

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No. The argument is that in 17 years, Hamas has not learned to stop firing rockets and conducting attacks on Israel even thought they know Israel will retaliate and inflict even more damage. Are they that stupid? I guess they're not worried.
The argument is that Israel is a settler colonial state still actively colonizing Palestine.
The fact that put 2 million, mostly refugees, in a giant concentration camp and expected to continue the colonization is madness.

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves …politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2


 

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No. The argument is that in 17 years, Hamas has not learned to stop firing rockets and conducting attacks on Israel even thought they know Israel will retaliate and inflict even more damage. Are they that stupid? I guess they're not worried.
You'll appreciate this, shack.

Hamas is calling on the UN secretary general to come visit Gaza to confirm that they aren't using hospitals.
Think Israel would let them so they can prove to the world their claims are true?

 

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You accept IDF propaganda and now defend terrorist attacks on hospitals.
You Hamas supporters keep asking for proof that Hamas is hiding under hospitals. There you go buddy.

Thanks to canada-man for providing proof or what is actually happening.
 

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You Hamas supporters keep asking for proof that Hamas is hiding under hospitals. There you go buddy.

Thanks to canada-man for providing proof or what is actually happening.
CM posted a IDF social media post as if it were evidence.
If you think its happening then back the Hamas call for the UN to come and inspect the hospitals.

You're not afraid of what they'd find, are you?
Like you're afraid of all the protests?

 

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Yes people have babies over 75 years. And another 5 million or so claim refugee status (descendants of the people who fled back in 1948). So they would argue the population should have been 10 million and not 5.
Lol.
 

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Every Israel supporter should read letters like these.

On Thursday morning, October 26, I woke up to the news of yet another massacre in Gaza.
On Oct. 7 I woke to the news of another attack by Hamas on elderly and/or infant and/or female Israeli citizens. Why do people like frank continue to praise their brutalization by terrorists?
 

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I don't think anyone is saying, dont do anything about it. Hamas needs to be neutralized. But the method that Israel is using is where the criticism is, because it is akin to burning the haystack to find the needle.
If that needle is causing so much pain, then Israel is willing to accept that criticism, haystack be damned. The needle poked too many people and needs to be removed.
 
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