Israel at war

richaceg

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It is not okay on either side. Both are war crimes.

It is also not easy to 'evacuate' in Gaza. Its a small densely populated city that is razed to the ground. Few buildings left standing amidst the rubble.

Also Israel has been hitting South Gaza too. So there is no where to go, nowhere to hide. Except for the Hamas hiding in their tunnels, the civilians are left out in the open and exposed.

And there lies what i've been talking all these time...You know me and franky has been in this argument since last year....I have told him time and again, Hamas will not hesitate to attack Israel banking on the idea that civilians will be their shelter and Israel will not attack them.... Oct 7 is what broke the camel's back...there were numerous attacks before that...Hamas has time and again expressed what their objectives are...they are not here to protect palestinians, they are here to kill jews...
 
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And there lies what i've been talking all these time...You know me and franky has been in this argument since last year....I have told him time and again, Hamas will not hesitate to attack Israel banking on the idea that civilians will be their shelter and Israel will not attack them.... Oct 7 is what broke the camel's back...there were numerous attacks before that...Hamas has time and again expressed what their objectives are...they are not here to protect palestinians, they are here to kill jews...
Of course they will attack, rich.

The occupation, apartheid and ethnic cleansing is ongoing.
If the occupation ends and apartheid ends the attacks will stop.

Why do you back a plan that has not worked in 75 years?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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It is also not easy to 'evacuate' in Gaza. Its a small densely populated city that is razed to the ground
Thats complete bullshit. Gaza is about the same size as Mississauga.
Gazans could literally walk from North Gaza to South Gaza in 1 day and escape the bombing.
The only people who perhaps couldnt do it is really old people, but everyone else could do it.

Unless of course Hamas doesnt allow them to leave, and uses them as human shields to rack up a high body count.
But nah........Hamas would never do that, would they?? They're a morally upright people, arent they??
 

richaceg

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Thats complete bullshit. Gaza is about the same size as Mississauga.
Gazans could literally walk from North Gaza to South Gaza in 1 day and escape the bombing.
The only people who perhaps couldnt do it is really old people, but everyone else could do it.

Unless of course Hamas doesnt allow them to leave, and uses them as human shields to rack up a high body count.
But nah........Hamas would never do that, would they?? They're a morally upright people, arent they??
there are also civilians that feeds with the Hamas Ideology that you die a martyr just by being killed by Israel....
 

Phil C. McNasty

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They are bombing North and South Gaza. There are not many places to "just walk to in 1 day".

I believe out of the 6,000 bombs IDF have dropped so far only a fraction have gone to South Gaza
(and thats probably because Hamas is hiding amongst civilian population there too).

Either way, South Gaza is clearly much safer than the North
 

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That too. They have a martyrdom culture in general. Its why they exchange sweets after a terror attack, because those people have been martyred for a cause
Okay, so if thats what they believe then why do you have a problem with Israel with killing them all and sending them to Allah as martyrs??

If anything they should be happy with Israel for doing them this favor
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Did you think that question through before you posted?

So they think that someone being killed fighting Israel is being martyred, so you would just kill them? Like are you saying, you have no conscience or moral standards? What about children and babies, who are half of the victims? What about mothers who want to protect their children? Or old people? Or sick people?

Or are you saying, thinking that way itself is a crime deserving of death? So you are recommending the death penalty for what you consider a thought crime?

Your post does not make sense
Dude, its their exact mantra. Die in a war against Israel and you will achieve martyrdom.
These are all their words, not mine. Its literally what almost every muslim believes.

So then how can they complain when Israel sends them to martyrdom?? :rolleyes:

They have a martyrdom culture in general
Exactly. I'm glad you agree with me
 

richaceg

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Did you think that question through before you posted?

So they think that someone being killed fighting Israel is being martyred, so you would just kill them? Like are you saying, you have no conscience or moral standards? What about children and babies, who are half of the victims? What about mothers who want to protect their children? Or old people? Or sick people?

Or are you saying, thinking that way itself is a crime deserving of death? So you are recommending the death penalty for what you consider a thought crime?

Your post does not make sense.
I don't think that's right to just kill them because they welcome it as martyrdom....but it's one of the big reasons there are civilian casualties in Gaza and it's a pretty high number....some of them welcome it... the ultimate sacrifice to bring the State of Israel to it's knees...
 
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I don't think that's right to just kill them because they welcome it as martyrdom....but it's one of the big reasons there are civilian casualties in Gaza and it's a pretty high number....some of them welcome it... the ultimate sacrifice to bring the State of Israel to it's knees...
The reasons why there are so many civilian casualties is because Israel is targeting and killing them.

You can't look at this and say it was only targeting militants.
 
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