Hamas picked the right date to do their plan....Israel at a fault was complacent despite warnings (not sure if that's really true) from Egypt. The blitz was the biggest Hamas ever did, one that Israel didn't expect....despite more powerful, a surprise attack can do a lot of damage...and it did...You are right about one thing, there are no negotiation after the October 7 attack...ceasefire? That's possible but what does ceasefire entail? Gazans go back to their daily lives? What will the UN say once the ceasefire happens? everything is all good? It looks like both sides are balls deep in this now...This will lead to the palestinians losing the entire Gaza strip...now who's fault is it? What's the lesson here? Stop supporting terrorists who doesn't care about your well being, make friends with your neighbors, settle for the 2 state...all these were doable decades ago...palestinians make bad decision after another...of all the arabs in the region somehow palestinians because of their plight (yes Israel was a major contributor of how the palestinians are what they are) are easily brainwashed...not a single neighbor they had did them good. Israel, Egypt Jordan etc etc...they all took advantage of Palestinians weakness....
Israel at war
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You keep claiming you don't post propaganda but the tweets you post are exactly that...
I replied to a post where you said you wish Hamas would try something new or different.
The Great March of Return was something different, it wasn't an attack it was weekly protests at the border for over a year in the face of Israeli snipers.
Every Friday for a year the people of Gaza walked to the prison walls and protested as Israeli snipers shot them.
For a year.
That was trying something new.
Which is all I was trying to say.
The tweet said the video of paraflares was showing a war crime. It was fake propaganda. There is no "right for wrong reasons" with propaganda. It's just lies.
Uhhh. Ok. You agree the CCW clearly doesn't cover WP, but you think maybe a court will lose its mind and decide it is covered by it. Got it.
The US used it in the War on Terror as an incindiary and were never tried with war crimes. Israel has used it in the past and weren't charged with war crimes. Cross your fingers if you want to, but I think you've lost your mind.
what do you mean by doing the opposite? Dropping flowers and bubblegum. The strategy has worked to the extent that Israel still exists and is thriving. Rightly or wrongly they now believe that in the past they have agreed to ceasefires too rarely which has only given Hamas time to rearm and build more tunnels. Not sure that hey have any choice but to at least try and degrade their leadership and capabilities. Will it work? Perhaps in the short term but long term I doubt it.
long term I believe that the only solution is 2 stated and abandoning many of the settlements. There will necessarily be a swap of some lands. Not sure how that will happen if Hamas does not recognize the rightof Israel to exist but hope springs eternal.
It was also Palestinians, not Hamas. Unless you're saying all Palestinians are Hamas. Which is ridiculous and basically says Israel should just engage in genocide.
Not exactly what I was thinking, but honestly I think that would work better than what Israel is doing now, depending on what the desired end result is. I think there's only one achievable result, but no one wants to accept it.
And was just subject to the largest strike and loss of Israeli life they have ever encountered at the hands of Hamas. That's not my definition of working.
Won't work. As a Military tactic it fails miserably. As a long term strategy it's even worse.
I think you're partway there except I a think you need to take it further. I'm going to post my thoughts on what I think Israel should do at some point when I have time to sit down and write it out. It involves changing the end objective and it involves Israel accepting some things it doesn't want to accept.
I will look forward to your view.
any resolution will involve both sides making hard and unpopular decisions. Diplomacy is said to be the art of the doable. Without both sides compromising there will be no resolution.
The difference is going to be the long term. A ground war to systematically kill Hamas and its infrastructure. And a new DMZ.
You need to wait until its over to actually judge what the outcome will bring. Imo its part of a very long term goal of full annexation of Gaza. I'm talking about decades.
Laudable. But so long as the endgame is imo Jerusalem no one is going to budge.
It will once they annex Gaza. Just like they are in the West Bank. They aren't looking at this year, or next. Its a slow steady march, build new settlements, await attacks, retaliation, new DMZ, rinse and repeat.
And it has worked. Look at all the maps ol' Frankie keeps posting I scroll past. Even he whines about it. Fact is Palestinians are pawns. The Shia are using them as proxies, the Sunni think they are losers. The Arab Street protest but can't sustain it. Barring USA and NATO withdrawal of aid and support, which is pretty much not going to happen, the annexation is inevitable. Because the West secretly supports it. They just can't say the quiet part out load.
if they would have any trust in arabs promises they would probably trade land for peace. Same with ukraine and putin. You cannot make deals with terrorists.
