Pretty much none of your points will actually happen or be agreed too. That's the reality. Religion is quite in the way. And so reason is out the window.
Israel at war
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Any reason you ignored my first point?
In any case, the primary target was Kokura, also not particularly flat, especially to the West and South West.
Regardless, I have said I'd love to read any source you have that says the terrain was a deciding factor in target selection. I've shown my sources don't say that. Do you have any that say it was?
Israel is apartheid. That is very unique.
Why is it that Israel supporters say single videos can represent Palestinians but not the other way around?
And why is it that you don't think that's problematic?
Americans Try To Define ‘War Crime’
With the conflict in Gaza provoking debate over what constitutes a violation of international humanitarian law, The Onion asked Americans to define a “war crime,” and this is what they said.
www.theonion.com
I may have been wrong about how much it mattered for target selection. It did however seem to matter to how the blast wave would travel and what destruction it would cause.Any reason you ignored my first point?
In any case, the primary target was Kokura, also not particularly flat, especially to the West and South West.
Regardless, I have said I'd love to read any source you have that says the terrain was a deciding factor in target selection. I've shown my sources don't say that. Do you have any that say it was?
I read Leslie Groves book many years ago and I guess I got the issues a bit confused.
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I didn't say Canada, he was on the US terrorist watch.
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I love that you mention NEGOTIATIONS as if that were some secret thing nobody knows about.
Hamas has repeatedly offered to negotiate for the hostages but Israel refuses.
Israel has also refused to negotiate for peace for the last decade, preferring instead to just take more Palestinian land by force and make apartheid more and more obvious.
So why the fuck aren't you supporting NEGOTIATIONS instead of backing genocide?
Israel has killed 3457 children at last count.
Do you think that is an 'appropriate response' to political disagreements?
How many children should you kill for an appropriate response?
Under international law it's not that cut and dry. The rules of war still require a proportional proportionality analysis unless it's self-defense, but for it to be self-defense attacks have to be originating from the hospital or anticipated to originate from the hospital at the time the strike is initiated.
Your enemy is allowed to be at hospitals. They can be there tending to wounded, the can be there being tended to as wounded, they can be there visiting family, they can be there just hanging out. Even if it was a Hamas-only military field hospital, there are still parts of Geneva, Hague and Rome that apply protecting it. All hospitals are protected targets. Bring a protected target doesn't mean you can't attack them ever, but it means there are very strict conditions on when you can and "there are enemy there" is not sufficient. Certainly "there are probably some enemy there" isn't sufficient.
How about their headquarters for planning attacks with tunnel entrances to the network?
I'll be the first to admit I don't know everything and I've been wrong before. I find it difficult to operate on the assumption I'm wrong, but it's always possible. Just because my sources don't list it and I don't recall ever hearing it doesn't mean it's not true, so it's very possible you're right and it was part of the selection.
Or maybe it says exactly what you think it does. It's this one?
I've never read it but I've ordered a copy now. Thanks for mentioning it.
This is going up blow your mind.....
...but as a protected structure, they would still need to conduct a proportional proportionality analysis to justify it even if they had reliable intelligence from Aman supporting your hypothetical situation. If missiles come flying out the hospital windows then they can bomb it without conducting the analysis. Tunnels underneath it don't let Israel skip proportional proportionality either.
I get you don't like that answer and think it shouldn't matter. But that's what the laws of war say. They actually were written and amended specifically for situations like this to ensure that it wasn't easy to make up excuses to blow up civilians and civilian infrastructure.
Are you claiming they are lying?
Maybe you should support opening the death camp walls so the WHO and ICRC can come in and confirm how many children Israel has really killed.
Maybe they can bring in water and food finally.
1. believing hamas math is ridiculous
2. nobody can fully avoid collateral damage while responding to a threat
Aside from Israel, everyone in the Middle East is militarily and economically weak with the exception of Saudi Arabia as they run OPEC but SA is so militarily weak that they will side with Israel and the US for military protection.
There is no legitimate threat to the existence of Israel that justifies this level of retribution.
What is happening now is similar to the 2nd Iraq invasion, sense and reason go out the window and a rabid thirst for vengeance takes over.
There is no legitimate threat to the existence of Israel that justifies this level of retribution.
What is happening now is similar to the 2nd Iraq invasion, sense and reason go out the window and a rabid thirst for vengeance takes over.
so there is a hospital or schoo or mosque or whatever and intelligence says there is a command and control centre in that basement and rockets are being launched etc. what is a propionate response?
Laws of War?
That implies it's civilized. And by extension normalizes it.
Both sides are choosing no quarter. Good luck sorting it out in the rubble and the fog of war. I get you don't like that answer as well. It implies your professed profession is inherently uncivilized.
It is.
Ha? Have you been living on another planet for the last 50 years? Hamas has several thousand rockets, Hezbollah has something like 150,000 rockets, Syria Yemen, Iran etc.
If rockets are coming out of the windows, you're allowed to act in self-defense to neutralize the threat.
