Israel at war

Butler1000

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Well, at least you are not even pretending you aren't pro war crime.
I guess that's something.
Please explain when Hamas hides rocket launchers, factories, arms and headquarters under/within hospitals, schools and residential districts you can destroy them without destroying said buildings?
 

Frankfooter

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Which frank is cheering for.
no

And you were all for it.
no

You're still cheering for erasing Palestine being wiped off the map and now Palestinians themselves being wiped of the map.

This time, the Nakba is being televised, and it has a stench of finality to it. What is happening in Palestine can no longer be described as genocide or even ethnic cleansing. It is beyond mass extermination – it is total erasure.

Alongside the deranged and morally rotten military campaign to extinguish the lives of innocent Palestinian civilians – most of whom are women and children – is the equally if not more sinister campaign to entirely erase their identity.

Open Apple, Google or any other digital map. Type “Palestine”. You won’t find it. You will only find Israel. If you’re lucky, you may be directed to a small patchwork of what is called “Palestinian Territories” firmly embedded inside Israel lest anyone mistakenly think it is an independent nation-state. And of course, you will find nowhere on any map the keyword that precedes Palestinian Territories to lay bare the ugly, but necessary and harrowing truth: “Occupied.”

Every single Palestinian alive today has had either the brutal experience of being rendered stateless and/or homeless, or waking up to the reality that the homeland of their parents is apparently fictional. I will never forget the experience as a young boy born and raised in Louisiana when my mom had to explain to me why my second-grade teacher said “Palestine doesn’t exist.” Suddenly all the maps, flags, pictures, culture, and even old coins from prior to 1948 that had “Palestine” written on them were supposedly a lie. This, even though my father is five years older than the state of Israel. Everything about us is supposedly non-existent.

It’s not just the Palestinian people or the name of the country that’s disappearing, but the word Palestine itself. Palestine is being deliberately erased from our consciousness and discourse, during war and even in peace.
 

Valcazar

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Please explain when Hamas hides rocket launchers, factories, arms and headquarters under/within hospitals, schools and residential districts you can destroy them without destroying said buildings?
You don't even understand what I'm appalled by, do you?

The tactical argument that there will be civilian casualties isn't it.
You saying it is right and proper to commit war crimes is.
 

toguy5252

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What don't you understand, there's no middle ground here, I'm not interested, I'm not interested in explaining anything and I'm not interested in what you have to say. Move on.
so you are afraid to answer the question. No explanation required. It is yes or no.
 

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There have been about 55 UN resolutions against Israel, all of which were vetoed by the US. If the Palestinians have no recourse it will just lead to more terrorism and with the advent of cheap drones it will get worse as time goes on.

The US needs to stop vetoing and let the UN do its job to relieve some of the stress of the pressure cooker.

In the long term, the land has to be repartitioned with the border running along the latitude so it is short, and a DMZ put in place. Ideally, it would be a 50/50 split but given the powerlessness of the Palestinians, 70/30 with the 70 going to Israel would be reasonable.
 

basketcase

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Well, at least you are not even pretending you aren't pro war crime.
I guess that's something.
Wait. You've claimed Hamas unguided rockets are actually self defence. You've claimed that targeting of Jewish civilians in the West Bank is okay because in your words, you can't tell them apart.

The groups you pretend to support have been clear those are war crimes but you keep on claiming they're okay.
 
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Frankfooter

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Murder was what hamas did in their terror attack on the 7th where they explicitly trained for and targeted Israeli civilians. You celebrated that.

The deaths of Gaza civilians is tragic but they are casualties of war, not murdered. And no moral person is celebrating Israel's response.
Of course you don't think it counts as murder when it happens to 'human animals'.

 

basketcase

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But you also knew another attack was coming.
Everyone knew it, Blinken, the US, Israel, everyone.

There was no peace, no peace talks and more and more settler attacks and land theft.
How could you not expect another attack and why would you not do anything to move towards peace instead?

The issue is the same as its been for 54 years.
Its the occupation.
And look at Frank continuing to blame Israel for hamas choosing to butcher civilians by going door to door.
 

basketcase

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Of course you don't think it counts as murder when it happens to 'human animals'.
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Ah, the patented Franky move of making up bullshit to try and justify his hatreds.

p.s. based on your refusal to listen to Palestinians and your claims that they are incapable of being responsible for their choices, seems like you consider Arabs to be animals.
 

Frankfooter

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Ah, the patented Franky move of making up bullshit to try and justify his hatreds.

p.s. based on your refusal to listen to Palestinians and your claims that they are incapable of being responsible for their choices, seems like you consider Arabs to be animals.
Palestinians did not choose to live under a 54 year old occupation.
Nor did they choose to live through apartheid or in the world's largest death camp.

 

Butler1000

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You don't even understand what I'm appalled by, do you?

The tactical argument that there will be civilian casualties isn't it.
You saying it is right and proper to commit war crimes is.
I'm stating that Hamas hasn't give a choice. So under those specific circumstances, where your enemy leaves no choice for your own survival, then they are justified.

Because the war crime imo isn't in the destruction, its in the placement that creates the situation. Hamas does it on purpose, they WANT civilian casualties. They prefer martyrs to mouths to feed. That's who they are.

So yes the tactical question matters, because unless you can give another option, you are promoting Hamas's tactics as humane.
 
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