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richaceg

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All those terrorist attacks should be condemned.
And Israeli reprisal attacks, which kill roughly 10x the number should also be condemned.

Its the occupying, apartheid and now genocidal, Israel that is killing way, way more people.

The Gaza War, also known as Operation Cast Lead (Hebrew: מִבְצָע עוֹפֶרֶת יְצוּקָה),[39] also known in the Muslim world as the Gaza Massacre (Arabic: مجزرة غزة),[40][41][42] and referred to as the Battle of al-Furqan (معركة الفرقان) by Hamas,[43][44] was a three-week armed conflict between Gaza Strip Palestinian paramilitary groups and the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) that began on 27 December 2008 and ended on 18 January 2009 with a unilateral ceasefire. The conflict resulted in 1,166–1,417 Palestinian and 13 Israeli deaths (including 4 from friendly fire).[45]

The Israeli government's stated goal was to stop indiscriminate Palestinian rocket fire into Israel[46] and weapons smuggling into the Gaza strip.[47][48][49] Hamas stated its rocket fire, which resumed in November 2008, was in response to an Israeli raid of a tunnel leading from Gaza, which it characterized as a ceasefire violation.[50][51] Israel said the raid was a preemptive strike against a tunnel they believed would be used to abduct Israeli soldiers guarding the border.[50][52] In the initial air assault, Israeli forces attacked police stations, military targets including weapons caches and suspected rocket firing teams, as well as political and administrative institutions in the opening assault, striking in the densely populated cities of Gaza, Khan Yunis and Rafah.[53] After hostilities broke out, Palestinian groups fired rockets in retaliation for the aerial bombardments and attacks.[54] The international community considers indiscriminate attacks on civilians and civilian structures that do not discriminate between civilians and military targets as illegal under international law.[55][56][57]

An Israeli ground invasion began on 3 January. On 5 January, the IDF began operating in the densely populated urban centers of Gaza. During the last week of the offensive (from 12 January), Israel mostly hit targets it had damaged before and struck Palestinian rocket-launching units.[15] Hamas intensified its rocket and mortar attacks against mostly civilian targets in southern Israel, reaching the major cities of Beersheba and Ashdod for the first time during the conflict.[58][59][60] Israeli politicians ultimately decided against striking deeper within Gaza amid concerns of higher casualties on both sides and rising international criticism.[citation needed] The conflict ended on 18 January, when the IDF first declared a unilateral ceasefire, followed by Hamas' announcing a one-week ceasefire twelve hours later.[6][7] The IDF completed its withdrawal on 21 January.[61]

In September 2009, a UN special mission, headed by the South African Justice Richard Goldstone, produced a report accusing both Palestinian militants and the IDF of war crimes and possible crimes against humanity, and recommended bringing those responsible to justice.[62] In 2011, Goldstone wrote that he no longer believed that Israel intentionally targeted civilians in Gaza.[63] The other authors of the report, Hina Jilani, Christine Chinkin, and Desmond Travers, rejected Goldstone's re-assessment.[64][65] The United Nations Human Rights Council ordered Israel to conduct various repairs of the damages. On 21 September 2012, the United Nations Human Rights Council concluded that 75% of civilian homes destroyed in the attack were not rebuilt.[

Hamas never learn from history...
 

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Arafat never once made a single offer or counteroffer. Rabin (RIP) paid for his peace agreement with his life, and Barak's career was toast when Arafat/Fatah refused to even take a proposal back to the West Bank. So stop with the bullshit about Israel and not making serious attempts at a two state solution. What the hell have the Palestinians ever offered Israelis dating back to the UN creation of the Jewish State?

The answer here is simple - anti-semites will play the apartheid card, but cannot shake the facts that one side teaches their kids math and science, the other side teaches their kids to hate Jews. Full stop.

It stuns me to no end to see Israel vilified for having the audacity to respond and defend herself after having 1400 massacred under 2 weeks ago. It os mind blowing shit and a continual reminder that Jew hating (disguised as anti-Zionism) is never that out of vogue for some people.
Its a 54 year long, illegal occupation throughout which Israel has constantly and slowly been taking over more and more of what could have been Palestine. Ben Gurion warned that if you don't settle for the two state solution you'll end with apartheid.
Congrats.

Now you've not only got an apartheid state with no peace now you're backing full on genocide and claiming it'll make you safe.

 

richaceg

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All those terrorist attacks should be condemned.
And Israeli reprisal attacks, which kill roughly 10x the number should also be condemned.

Its the occupying, apartheid and now genocidal, Israel that is killing way, way more people.

Hamas is the root cause of palestinians pain and suffering....

On September 2, after ten months and seven rounds of indirect talks that began in November 2009, U.S.-brokered direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority began in Washington D.C.[41][42] On September 14 a second round of Middle East peace talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority concluded in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt.[43] Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas stated that during the talks, the Palestinian Authority and Israel agreed on the principle of a land swap, with Israel exchanging small parts of its own territory in exchange for border settlement blocs. The issue of the ratio of land Israel would give to the Palestinians in exchange for keeping border settlement blocs was an issue of dispute, with the Palestinians demanding that the ratio be 1:1, and Israel offering less.[44]

During the direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah reaffirmed to threat peace talks if both sides were matriculated towards any possible agreement. A Hamas-led coalition of 13 Palestinian militant groups initiated a violent campaign to disrupt peace talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. A series of attacks killed and wounded eight Israelis, including two pregnant women, between August and September 2010. Israeli and Palestinian Authority security forces responded with raids that resulted in the deaths and arrests of militants involved in the attacks.
Rocket and mortar attacks from the Hamas-run Gaza Strip also increased in September.
 
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Hamas is the root cause of palestinians pain and suffering....
The violence started with the occupation of Palestine, way before Hamas.

Netanyahu backed Hamas for years as a way to separate Palestinians into factions and keep them at bay.

 

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Hamas is the root cause of palestinians pain and suffering....

On September 2, after ten months and seven rounds of indirect talks that began in November 2009, U.S.-brokered direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority began in Washington D.C.[41][42] On September 14 a second round of Middle East peace talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority concluded in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt.[43] Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas stated that during the talks, the Palestinian Authority and Israel agreed on the principle of a land swap, with Israel exchanging small parts of its own territory in exchange for border settlement blocs. The issue of the ratio of land Israel would give to the Palestinians in exchange for keeping border settlement blocs was an issue of dispute, with the Palestinians demanding that the ratio be 1:1, and Israel offering less.[44]

During the direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah reaffirmed to threat peace talks if both sides were matriculated towards any possible agreement. A Hamas-led coalition of 13 Palestinian militant groups initiated a violent campaign to disrupt peace talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. A series of attacks killed and wounded eight Israelis, including two pregnant women, between August and September 2010. Israeli and Palestinian Authority security forces responded with raids that resulted in the deaths and arrests of militants involved in the attacks. Rocket and mortar attacks from the Hamas-run Gaza Strip also increased in September.
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Hamas installing blockades and check points and preventing civilians from living Gaza...I wouldn't put it past them to bomb hospitals and blame Israel for it....Hamas don't care about civilians...
Your racist hatred knows no bounds.
Not one iota of remorse for 500 refugees being killed, instead you instantly jump to excusing it and trying to blame the victims again.
 

richaceg

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The violence started with the occupation of Palestine, way before Hamas.

Netanyahu backed Hamas for years as a way to separate Palestinians into factions and keep them at bay.

Oh definitely...the violence have been going on....Gaza was cleansed of Jews ( i bet you love the ring to that)...and it continued to this day trying to cleanse the world of Jews....Hitler must be proud....
 

richaceg

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Your racist hatred knows no bounds.
Not one iota of remorse for 500 refugees being killed, instead you instantly jump to excusing it and trying to blame the victims again.
Hamas causing palestinians pain and suffering ... you're the one justifying all the actions Hamas did... you know those buildings would be standing today, civilians probably have homes today had Hamas not attacked right? Those Israeli are probably still raving right now....babies would still have futures, families would still have mothers and sisters...had Hamas not attacked....
 

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Arafat never once made a single offer or counteroffer. Rabin (RIP) paid for his peace agreement with his life, and Barak's career was toast when Arafat/Fatah refused to even take a proposal back to the West Bank. So stop with the bullshit about Israel and not making serious attempts at a two state solution. What the hell have the Palestinians ever offered Israelis dating back to the UN creation of the Jewish State?

The answer here is simple - anti-semites will play the apartheid card, but cannot shake the facts that one side teaches their kids regular subjects like Math, Science etc, the other side teaches their kids to hate Jews. Full stop if you haven't seen the textbooks Gazan kids are given.

It stuns me to no end to see Israel vilified for having the audacity to respond and defend herself after having 1400 massacred under 2 weeks ago. It os mind blowing shit and a continual reminder that Jew hating (disguised as anti-Zionism) is never that out of vogue for some people.
Are you a Jewish supremacist, because that's what it sounds like when you play off over 50 years of military occupation and inhumane treatment of Palestinians.
Are you a Jewish supremacist?
 
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