Israel at war

Frankfooter

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Ah, the good old excuse that the people who launched thousands of unguided rockets towards cities and who went door to door burning families and butchering children isn't terrorism.
Israel launched 6000 bombs on Gaza, a prison camp the size of Montreal.
Israel has blocked all food, water and electricity for 2.2 million people, most of whom are already refugees.

Israel is using chemical weapons on civilians.

You complain about Hamas but support crimes that are way, way worse.
 

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HAMAS appears to function at sub moron level. They must realize that Israel won't exchange captives. To do so simply licences HAMAS to kidnap Israeli civilians.

Israel will accept the human collateral damage and go in and absolutely tear Gaza to the ground.
Mandrill, you're smarter than this.

You've argued that Ukrainians are right to resist the Russian occupation but now argue that Palestinians are in the wrong to resist the occupation of Palestine?

Palestinians have tried everything for peace.
Oslo Accords - 20 years and all they got was Netanyahu stalling while he put in 500,000 settlers in the occupied territories as 'facts on the ground'
BDS - have you seen the attacks if you mention BDS here or in the public life?
International law - They've petitioned the ICC and UN and nothing has happened.
Protesting - the people of Gaza walked to the walls to protest every Friday for a year and Israel used snipers to kill 200 and injure 36,000

Now they are left with a violent resistance. No, they can't target civilians but nobody calls out Israel when they do so.

The truth of the matter is that Palestine has been erased from the map already by Israel.
That for decades Israel has been terrorizing and killing the indigenous Palestinian population.
And around the world people are starting to see PLM protests alongside BLM.

The killing has been by the occupying power, not the victims of the occupation for decades.
The bombing of Gaza, cut off from water, food and electricity, will turn it into a death camp.

 

Frankfooter

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It's all about playing the victim card and showing photos of those dead Palestinian children.

They're already setting up tours of hospitals for BBC film crews in Gaza.
Given the 6000 bombs Israel dropped on an area the size of Montreal and the call for 1 million people to flee their homes I expect Israel to create many more photo ops. Of course if Israel was really smart they wouldn't stupidly play into Hamas' hands, they'd just stop bombing the shit out of the worlds largest prison/refugee camp and not give in to Hamas' strategy.

Until then, enjoy the handiwork of the people who make white supremacists look sweet.

 

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Israel launched 6000 bombs on Gaza, a prison camp the size of Montreal.
Israel has blocked all food, water and electricity for 2.2 million people, most of whom are already refugees.
The whole world, including Hammas and YOU, knew that this would happen if Hammas attacked Israel.
 
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Actually, that is what Hamas feels seeing as they knew exactly what Israel's response would be. They intentionally sacrificed their own people so they could kill some Jews. They don't give a fuck about the Gazans. They are just pawns to Hamas. And you and your buddies full well know it.
so... if a million Palestinian civilians, women and children die ( that would be a thousand to one), it's still all Hamas' fault? You can't kill your way to peace.
 

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The whole world, including Hammas and YOU, knew that this would happen if Hammas attacked Israel.
So what. Hamas was going to attack Israel. Isreal just never imagined it would be such a powerful attack. There are over 450m arabs, 87m Persians and only 9m Israelis, 2m of which are arabs. Hamas has a full time army of 40K in Gaza. Even if Israel killes every last one of them, they will lose thousands of soldiers.
 

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HAMAS appears to function at sub moron level. They must realize that Israel won't exchange captives. To do so simply licences HAMAS to kidnap Israeli civilians.

Israel will accept the human collateral damage and go in and absolutely tear Gaza to the ground.
Some don’t understand lambs and wolves, even though they claim to be experts on nature.
 

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Your morning update on global reactions.

Dark omens.
The Nikkei fell to a more than four-month low last week, losing nearly 10% from a 33-year high scaled in mid-June, amid concerns about rising U.S. Treasury yield
ICE Brent crude oil futures rose by $4/bbl after Hamas attacked Israel on 7 October as traders reassessed geopolitical risks.
 
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Robert Mugabe

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Mandrill, you're smarter than this.

You've argued that Ukrainians are right to resist the Russian occupation but now argue that Palestinians are in the wrong to resist the occupation of Palestine?

Palestinians have tried everything for peace.
Oslo Accords - 20 years and all they got was Netanyahu stalling while he put in 500,000 settlers in the occupied territories as 'facts on the ground'
BDS - have you seen the attacks if you mention BDS here or in the public life?
International law - They've petitioned the ICC and UN and nothing has happened.
Protesting - the people of Gaza walked to the walls to protest every Friday for a year and Israel used snipers to kill 200 and injure 36,000

Now they are left with a violent resistance. No, they can't target civilians but nobody calls out Israel when they do so.

The truth of the matter is that Palestine has been erased from the map already by Israel.
That for decades Israel has been terrorizing and killing the indigenous Palestinian population.
And around the world people are starting to see PLM protests alongside BLM.

The killing has been by the occupying power, not the victims of the occupation for decades.
The bombing of Gaza, cut off from water, food and electricity, will turn it into a death camp.

On this day in 2005: Israel completes disengagement from the Gaza Strip - Israel News - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
 

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Mandrill, you're smarter than this.

You've argued that Ukrainians are right to resist the Russian occupation but now argue that Palestinians are in the wrong to resist the occupation of Palestine?

Palestinians have tried everything for peace.
Oslo Accords - 20 years and all they got was Netanyahu stalling while he put in 500,000 settlers in the occupied territories as 'facts on the ground'
BDS - have you seen the attacks if you mention BDS here or in the public life?
International law - They've petitioned the ICC and UN and nothing has happened.
Protesting - the people of Gaza walked to the walls to protest every Friday for a year and Israel used snipers to kill 200 and injure 36,000

Now they are left with a violent resistance. No, they can't target civilians but nobody calls out Israel when they do so.

The truth of the matter is that Palestine has been erased from the map already by Israel.
That for decades Israel has been terrorizing and killing the indigenous Palestinian population.
And around the world people are starting to see PLM protests alongside BLM.

The killing has been by the occupying power, not the victims of the occupation for decades.
The bombing of Gaza, cut off from water, food and electricity, will turn it into a death camp.

In 1994, Arafat moved to Gaza City, which was controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA)—the provisional entity created by the Oslo Accords.[103] Arafat became the President and Prime Minister of the PNA, the Commander of the PLA and the Speaker of the PLC. In July, after the PNA was declared the official government of the Palestinians, the Basic Laws of the Palestinian National Authority was published,[106] in three different versions by the PLO. Arafat proceeded with creating a structure for the PNA. He established an executive committee or cabinet composed of twenty members. Arafat also replaced and assigned mayors and city councils for major cities such as Gaza and Nablus. He began subordinating non-governmental organizations that worked in education, health, and social affairs under his authority by replacing their elected leaders and directors with PNA officials loyal to him. He then appointed himself chairman of the Palestinian financial organization that was created by the World Bank to control most aid money towards helping the new Palestinian entity.[104]

Arafat established a Palestinian police force, named the Preventive Security Service (PSS), that became active on 13 May 1994. It was mainly composed of PLA soldiers and foreign Palestinian volunteers. Arafat assigned Mohammed Dahlan and Jibril Rajoub to head the PSS.[104] Amnesty International accused Arafat and the PNA leadership of failing to adequately investigate abuses by the PSS (including torture and unlawful killings) against political opponents and dissidents as well as the arrests of human rights activists.[107]

Throughout November and December 1995, Arafat toured dozens of Palestinian cities and towns that were evacuated by Israeli forces including Jenin, Ramallah, al-Bireh, Nablus, Qalqilyah and Tulkarm, declaring them "liberated". The PNA also gained control of the West Bank's postal service during this period.[108] On 20 January 1996, Arafat was elected president of the PNA, with an overwhelming 88.2 percent majority (the other candidate was charity organizer Samiha Khalil). However, because Hamas, the DFLP and other popular opposition movements chose to boycott the presidential elections, the choices were limited. Arafat's landslide victory guaranteed Fatah 51 of the 88 seats in the PLC. After Arafat was elected to the post of President of the PNA, he was often referred to as the Ra'is, (literally president in Arabic), although he spoke of himself as "the general".[109] In 1997, the PLC accused the executive branch of the PNA of financial mismanagement causing the resignation of four members of Arafat's cabinet. Arafat refused to resign his post.[110]
 
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A friend of mine said she has seen more footage depicting the destruction in Gaza the last two days than she's seen during the entirety of the war in the Ukraine.

She has a point.....
Probably because most of that footage actually IS Ukraine. Or some other place.

Fake videos are already notorious and widespread.
 

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In 1994, Arafat moved to Gaza City, which was controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA)—the provisional entity created by the Oslo Accords.[103] Arafat became the President and Prime Minister of the PNA, the Commander of the PLA and the Speaker of the PLC. In July, after the PNA was declared the official government of the Palestinians, the Basic Laws of the Palestinian National Authority was published,[106] in three different versions by the PLO. Arafat proceeded with creating a structure for the PNA. He established an executive committee or cabinet composed of twenty members. Arafat also replaced and assigned mayors and city councils for major cities such as Gaza and Nablus. He began subordinating non-governmental organizations that worked in education, health, and social affairs under his authority by replacing their elected leaders and directors with PNA officials loyal to him. He then appointed himself chairman of the Palestinian financial organization that was created by the World Bank to control most aid money towards helping the new Palestinian entity.[104]

Arafat established a Palestinian police force, named the Preventive Security Service (PSS), that became active on 13 May 1994. It was mainly composed of PLA soldiers and foreign Palestinian volunteers. Arafat assigned Mohammed Dahlan and Jibril Rajoub to head the PSS.[104] Amnesty International accused Arafat and the PNA leadership of failing to adequately investigate abuses by the PSS (including torture and unlawful killings) against political opponents and dissidents as well as the arrests of human rights activists.[107]

Throughout November and December 1995, Arafat toured dozens of Palestinian cities and towns that were evacuated by Israeli forces including Jenin, Ramallah, al-Bireh, Nablus, Qalqilyah and Tulkarm, declaring them "liberated". The PNA also gained control of the West Bank's postal service during this period.[108] On 20 January 1996, Arafat was elected president of the PNA, with an overwhelming 88.2 percent majority (the other candidate was charity organizer Samiha Khalil). However, because Hamas, the DFLP and other popular opposition movements chose to boycott the presidential elections, the choices were limited. Arafat's landslide victory guaranteed Fatah 51 of the 88 seats in the PLC. After Arafat was elected to the post of President of the PNA, he was often referred to as the Ra'is, (literally president in Arabic), although he spoke of himself as "the general".[109] In 1997, the PLC accused the executive branch of the PNA of financial mismanagement causing the resignation of four members of Arafat's cabinet. Arafat refused to resign his post.[110]
You forgot to add that Israel was secretly diverting Palestinian tax revenue to Arafat‘s secret Bank Leumi accounts in Israel.
 

mandrill

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So what. Hamas was going to attack Israel. Isreal just never imagined it would be such a powerful attack. There are over 450m arabs, 87m Persians and only 9m Israelis, 2m of which are arabs. Hamas has a full time army of 40K in Gaza. Even if Israel killes every last one of them, they will lose thousands of soldiers.
"Powerful"??!?!?!?!?!

A couple hundred hippies at a music festival?!?!?!

Let's see what happens. Your "expertise" in Ukraine has been pretty sad and off base. The HAMAS "army" is untrained, undisciplined militia. Probably with limited heavy weapons and tech and primitive tactics. I'm betting they're going to get massacred like your Russians are currently getting outside Avdiivka.
 
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Mandrill, you're smarter than this.

You've argued that Ukrainians are right to resist the Russian occupation but now argue that Palestinians are in the wrong to resist the occupation of Palestine?

Palestinians have tried everything for peace.
Oslo Accords - 20 years and all they got was Netanyahu stalling while he put in 500,000 settlers in the occupied territories as 'facts on the ground'
BDS - have you seen the attacks if you mention BDS here or in the public life?
International law - They've petitioned the ICC and UN and nothing has happened.
Protesting - the people of Gaza walked to the walls to protest every Friday for a year and Israel used snipers to kill 200 and injure 36,000

Now they are left with a violent resistance. No, they can't target civilians but nobody calls out Israel when they do so.

The truth of the matter is that Palestine has been erased from the map already by Israel.
That for decades Israel has been terrorizing and killing the indigenous Palestinian population.
And around the world people are starting to see PLM protests alongside BLM.

The killing has been by the occupying power, not the victims of the occupation for decades.
The bombing of Gaza, cut off from water, food and electricity, will turn it into a death camp.

Your revisionism here is outstanding.
 

mandrill

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so... if a million Palestinian civilians, women and children die ( that would be a thousand to one), it's still all Hamas' fault? You can't kill your way to peace.
If HAMAS uses them as a human shield, sure.

Let's see how it plays out.
 
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