Israel at war

mandrill

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Sorry, I don't agree with you!!
Mitch, I'm posting stuff from people who know about this shit. You on the other hand simply cut and paste whatever GOP garbage you stumble over every 5 minutes and don't have the wit to figure out 99% of it is horseshit.

So explain to me the following:

If the money is still frozen in US supervised bank accounts, how is it somehow being spent on terror attacks?
 

HungSowel

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I am sure countries keep changing. But countries have a natural right to exist because the people have decided to identify as a country. If that wasn't true then we can pretty much justify all invasions and occupations.
If countries have no rights, it does not justify invasion and occupation. If we were on Mars where there is no law or rights, it does not justify me assaulting you.
 

mitchell76

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Mitch, I'm posting stuff from people who know about this shit. You on the other hand simply cut and paste whatever GOP garbage you stumble over every 5 minutes and don't have the wit to figure out 99% of it is horseshit.

So explain to me the following:

If the money is still frozen in US supervised bank accounts, how is it somehow being spent on terror attacks?

Who is Ed Krassenstein anyway?? Who knows if he is telling the truth?? For all we know, Iran has already received the full $6 Billion ??
 

HungSowel

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Of course it would justify invasions. You have rejected the right of a country to even exist, and by extension people's right to be free, so based on what are you against an invasion? In any case people have a right to self-identification and self-determination. That is a fundamental right. They self-identify as a country. Therefore, countries = people. You cannot support the right to exist of one without supporting the other as well.
I am against invasions because of compassion.

If the UN had the largest army in the world and there were no veto power then I would say that countries have the right to exist because it is guaranteed by the UN.
 

Frankfooter

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The individual countries have to defend themselves. But countries are also recognized by others. A self-identifying country has natural rights. They dont have to be conferred upon them by a higher power.
Unless that country is Khalistan?
 

luvyeah

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I'm running out of spots on my car for flags

Ukraine
Russia

Israel
Palestine

Pride
BLM

Where else do you guys hang flags?
 

Frankfooter

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Hamas brought all this on the Gazans. Use whatever "justifications" you want, Hamas' actions set all this in motion. And any "justification" for Hamas' attack is also justifying the death and suffering of Gazans that will be coming. And you knew that the Gazans would suffer as soon as Hamas launched their attack. And that's OK with you.
Gaza was already suffering.

The people of Gaza live in an open air prison with 47% unemployment, where 50% are children and 75% stateless refugees.
They have power for only a few hours a day and 95% of the water is undrinkable.
Israel controlled how much food, water, electricity comes in and what building materials or products are allowed in.

They have been suffering under an illegal occupation and a 16 year long illegal blockade.

A kid of 12 has lived through 5 wars, 10% of the children of Gaza are stunted because of malnutrition. Israel counted calories going in for a while and still, 65% are food insecure.

This is what you and Israel gave to the citizens of Gaza.
 
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Grist

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Gaza was already suffering.

The people of Gaza live in an open air prison with 47% unemployment, where 50% are children and 75% stateless refugees.
They have power for only a few hours a day and 95% of the water is undrinkable.
Israel controlled how much food, water, electricity comes in and what building materials or products are allowed in.

They have been suffering under an illegal occupation and a 16 year long illegal blockade.

A kid of 12 has lived through 5 wars, 10% of the children of Gaza are stunted because of malnutrition. Israel counted calories going in for a while and still, 65% are food insecure.

This is what you and Israel gave to the citizens of Gaza.
Israel is not occupying Gaza, not since 2005. Egypt has also closed its border crossing. Nobody wants terrorists in their midst. Millions have been donated to the Palestinians and they elect a reprobate terrorist organization to lead them, and use that $ to buy weapons instead of food.
 
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JuanGoodman

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I'm running out of spots on my car for flags

Ukraine
Russia

Israel
Palestine

Pride
BLM

Where else do you guys hang flags?
Just stick them on top of each other to reflect the current flavor of the month

Soon there will be another one

the one thing that doesn't change is the money flow

names get changed to confuse the weak minded
 

basketcase

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Why are all the Israel supporters now calling for worse acts of terrorism than Hamas committed?
I guess this is as close as you get to admitting that Hamas committed some pretty disgusting atrocities. You do see that the only people who support what Hamas did are you and your little buddy?
 

basketcase

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No, countries are pieces of land with human decided borders.
There is no such thing as a country's right to exist.
Yet you demand that a Palestinian state has a right to exist. What a surprise; terb's biggest anti-semite has different standards when it comes to Jews.
 
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xmontrealer

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I'm sorry, xmontrealer, but that post is based on your own racist views.
Your views that the Arab world teaches hatred of Jews is itself a form of hate speech.

If you want peace with the surrounding countries its Israel that has to change. Israel needs to deal with the Palestinian refugee issue, where the countries around are hosting 5 million Palestinian refugees and Israel needs to return occupied land to Syria and Lebanon. Then they need to give Palestinians equal rights or a full Palestinian nation based on the 1967 borders without land swaps.

That is the way to peace, not demanding Arab nations declare whether a nation has a right to exist, that is an imaginary right. Rights are for humans, not countries. And that includes Palestinians, who, if you aren't aware, are human.
Wow. Talk about a fallacious argument. I merely copied and pasted well-documented information from Wikipedia, detailing how Saudi Arabia teaches their 8th graders to hate and despise Jews (and Christians as well). I didn't write the article, or the Saudi Arabia textbooks.

Now let's say you and I are holding guns to each other's heads. You have hated me for years, and have publicly wished me dead. But you say "Hey, xmontrealer, if you put down your gun I promise not to shoot you". Should I just put down my gun and trust you to do me no harm, without ironclad assurances to the contrary?
 
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