Israel at war

[basketcase]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711053199426126324

Bald numbers don't tell the whole story. A better breakdown would be number of armed combatants dead vs civilians.

Can't remember which news source it was from but the Israeli side was a couple dozen troops, a couple dozen police (which are legally civilians though would have been engaged in defending their towns) and the rest civilian. On the Palestinian side, they tend not to distinguish between dead combatants and civilians but very commonly they will post memorials of their soldiers who in past flare-ups have accounted for a significant number of the dead.

 

[basketcase]

I am sure Israel knows better, but this sort of thing is a mistake most western governments make. What we call terrorist movements are called freedom fighters by the people there. ...

The people we call terrorist movements are the people who choose to target civilians for their aims. The people we call freedom fighters are people who fight military targets.

 

[Darts]

WARMINGTON: Some in Toronto celebrating mass murder of Israelis | Toronto Sun

 

[basketcase]

More violence won't help.
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Yet surprise, in all your posts, you haven't even hinted at criticism for Hamas for launching this attack which mainly targeted Israeli civilians.


p.s. Democratically elected Hamas? Maybe you could say that 20 years ago before their coup and their electoral mandate being long, long, expired.

 

[The Oracle]

WARMINGTON: Some in Toronto celebrating mass murder of Israelis | Toronto Sun

Well free speech and all.....I'm sure the RCMP is out filming these guys to keep track of who they are. So that's a good thing.

 

[basketcase]

A reminder.
75% of the population of Gaza are refugees.
Half are children.
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Reminder, Gaza is ruled by Hamas who are a massively corrupt group of religious extremists who spend money meant to help their people on weapons to perpetuate the conflict.

 

[basketcase]

Not true.
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Depends on who is running the Palestinians. Hamas, PIJ, and PFLP are pretty clear what their goal is. Factions of Fatah also share that goal but the PA is not as open.

Just a reminder, Hamas' attackers chose butchered and kidnapped civilians.

 

[basketcase]

The only country that exists there is the one state, ...Israel.
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And you want it replaced by One State of Palestine even though the more moderate PA has laws on the books denying Jews even the chance of owning land.

 

[basketcase]

When the IDF starts winning, Hamas will undoubtedly hide out in civilian areas and try to blend in. Sounds like the Israelis are in no mood to be careful.

I'm sure they already are. The last major war they were holding press conferences in Gaza's largest hospital while launching rockets from it's parking lot.

 

[Darts]

Doug Ford speaks out against rallies celebrating Israel attacks | CTV News

 

[basketcase]

Finally the question is being asked on tv. What the fuck was Israeli intelligence doing? Why was it so easy to break through the flimsy security barriers? Complete failure by the people in charge. Netanyahu promises a long and hard battle. He's kind of a big part of the problem.

I have a feeling that Hamas' border protests/riots over the past week were intentionally planned to distract and mislead Israeli border observations.

And it's a lengthy border. No way could Israel afford to keep heavy forces on deployment all along it.

 

[basketcase]

We can't bring Israel into line with all the money we give them? We should OWN them...

And how does that justify Hamas' choice to butcher and kidnap hundreds of civilians?

 

[basketcase]

I agree with that. I am talking about the people there. Its the same with the Khalistanis. They bomb a plane and kill 329 people, and now have their pictures up on the wall in a Gurdwara in Toronto and call them martyrs. Its how it goes.

Nice of you to bring your hatred of Sikhs who want independence into a concertation about Hamas trying to get a state by killing Jewish civilians.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

I have a feeling that Hamas' border protests/riots over the past week were intentionally planned to distract and mislead Israeli border observations.

And it's a lengthy border. No way could Israel afford to keep heavy forces on deployment all along it.

Two problems with that. Israeli intelligence being touted as the best in the world, shouldn't be distracted or foiled by protests and riots after all these years.
And they have one of these....

 

[Frankfooter]

They're about to get wiped out...Israel has no patience with terrorists.

75 years of occupation of Palestine had nothing to do with it?

 

[Robert Mugabe]

75 years of occupation of Palestine had nothing to do with it?

"Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace in 1994.
The return of Arafat was the beginning of the enactment of the Declaration of Principles agreed at the Oslo Peace Accords signed in Washington in 1993.

Under the agreement, the Palestinian National Authority took control of the newly autonomous areas - Gaza and Jericho - and in 1996 Arafat became its elected president."

 

[Frankfooter]

You are an antisemitic trope.

You have openly stated that you think attacks on Jews in Israel are okay because a small number are militants and in your words "you can't tell them apart". And here you are trying to pretend that Jews quietly visiting their holiest site as approved by the Muslims overseeing the site justifies thousands of war crime rockets, killing hundreds of civilians including at least 250 festival goers, and kidnapping the elderly and children to use as hostages.

Hamas CHOSE to commit these crimes. As I said before, the Western word is united in their condemnation of Hamas but you choose to stand with Iran in praising them.

Israel has chosen to occupy Palestine for 75 years and rule Palestinians through apartheid.
That is why there is violence.

In 2021 thousands of settlers stormed the Al Aqsa and Hamas responded.
On Oct 4 the same thing happened.

You chose to stand with an apartheid occupation.

Its time to deescalate through sanctions to end apartheid.
That is the only way to stop the violence.
Not through killing more of the 2 million people living in the world's largest prison in Gaza.

 

[Frankfooter]

I'm sure they already are. The last major war they were holding press conferences in Gaza's largest hospital while launching rockets from it's parking lot.

In 2014 Israel bombed civilians and killed 2000.
I'm sure you'll cheer when they kill more this time.
And there will still not be peace.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Israel has chosen to occupy Palestine for 75 years and rule Palestinians through apartheid.
That is why there is violence.

In 2021 thousands of settlers stormed the Al Aqsa and Hamas responded.
On Oct 4 the same thing happened.

You chose to stand with an apartheid occupation.

Its time to deescalate through sanctions to end apartheid.
That is the only way to stop the violence.
Not through killing more of the 2 million people living in the world's largest prison in Gaza.

"Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace in 1994.
The return of Arafat was the beginning of the enactment of the Declaration of Principles agreed at the Oslo Peace Accords signed in Washington in 1993.

Under the agreement, the Palestinian National Authority took control of the newly autonomous areas - Gaza and Jericho - and in 1996 Arafat became its elected president."

 

[escortsxxx]

"Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace in 1994.
The return of Arafat was the beginning of the enactment of the Declaration of Principles agreed at the Oslo Peace Accords signed in Washington in 1993.

Under the agreement, the Palestinian National Authority took control of the newly autonomous areas - Gaza and Jericho - and in 1996 Arafat became its elected president."

I didn't notice that the CBC radio news listed the deaths on isreal side With no mention of the retaliation. It makes the it's really sound like angels.