Should we halt Immigration until we can get it under control.

[Carvher]

Ford is a conservative.
He cut rent control and killed minimum wage hikes.

The landlord and tenant board he's acting like a typical conservative, he's putting corporate landlords to the front of the line while forcing family owned landlords and tenants to wait years for hearings.

Minimum wage is going from 15.50 to 16.55 on Oct.1.
That's a 6.77 % increase when inflation just dropped below 3%.
He's no conservative. He's part NDP, part Liberal, and part Conservative.
The guy is killing small business while doling out unprecedented amounts of corporate welfare to companies making ev batteries in which the technology may be dead in 5 to 10 years.
Him and the drama teacher are a hell of a team.
Only problem is the Liberals have slid too far to the left here in Ontario for people like me to vote for them.
I'm just not going to vote in next provincial election.

 

[basketcase]

Oh definitely....there's no stopping developments outside the GTA, so why are we keeping refugees in the GTA or big cities? ...

We are not. Immigrants CHOOSE to come here because that's where the supports are and governments don't want to implement those supports in places where there aren't enough immigrants to justify them.

And I'm sure those friendly small town people would be overjoyed at having a bunch of non-Christian, non-white, non-English speaking, unemployed people being dropped into their pristine little paradise.

 

[basketcase]

...

1. Have more babies to grow the overall population and provide tax and other incentives for doing so.
2. Those babies need to go into sectors that supposedly have worker shortages to get housing, infrastructure, etc built.
...

3. Convince those children that low paying service jobs aren't beneath them.

 

[basketcase]

I really wonder if some want to go in that direction. Lots of complaining about government mandates and lockdowns yet seem to want them to dictate where people live, what to study or how many kids to have.

People always complain about the high cost of living. It's ironic though given that if we're on this board, it's more than likely we have enough disposal income to live here. I honestly don't get how the solution to housing and worker shortages is to restrict the supply of people coming in. It boggles my mind how so many people refuse to see that.

Because they are only capable of thinking of the immediate impact on their lives.

 

[basketcase]

1) if the gta, which has more housing, more services, more infrastructure can’t handle the influx than everyone else…And quite obviously it can’t…What makes anyone think anyone else can…..and if we hope to spread them out. What’s it going to take to accomplish that? $$$$$$$$$$$ and lots of it?
...

Simple solution; governments spend money to help people. Dougie has a huge surplus right now. Maybe he should put some effort into providing societal supports instead of just propping up his developer buddies.

 

[basketcase]

It is more prudent to halt population growth
than immigration altogether. Can't we just limit
the volume of immigration to a level sufficient
to avert further aging of the population?

Maybe a one child policy?

 

[basketcase]

Minimum wage is going from 15.50 to 16.55 on Oct.1.
That's a 6.77 % increase when inflation just dropped below 3%.
He's no conservative. He's part NDP, part Liberal, and part Conservative.
The guy is killing small business while doling out unprecedented amounts of corporate welfare to companies making ev batteries in which the technology may be dead in 5 to 10 years.
Him and the drama teacher are a hell of a team.
Only problem is the Liberals have slid too far to the left here in Ontario for people like me to vote for them.
I'm just not going to vote in next provincial election.

Maybe the people's party will run again for you.

But oh no, the poorest workers get a raise to $33,100 per year before tax? Obviously they're just a bunch of spoiled fucks.

 

[JohnLarue]

Canada issues record-breaking 4.8 million visas in 2022 - The Economic Times (indiatimes.com)

Canada has processed an all-time high of 4.8 million visa applications in 2022, nearly twice the 2.5 million processed during the same period last year, according to Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC).


The 4.8 million applications include 670,000 study permits, 700,000 work permits, and hundreds of thousands of visitor visas, according to IRCC data.

The largest number of applications were processed under the temporary residence category with over 670,000 study permits cleared by November 30, compared to more than 500,000 during the same time period last year.

now an application does not always translate into a move to Canada &
some (not all) students leave once their studies are complete , however they are replaced with an ever increasing number of foreign freshman

so how many people left Canada ie emigrated away?
Canada: number of emigrants 2022 | Statista

This statistic shows the total number of emigrants from Canada from 2000 to 2022. Between July 1, 2021 and June 30, 2022, approximately 49,770 people emigrated from Canada to another country.

This would not likely include the exiting students

how many births ?
Number of births in Canada 2022 | Statista

Between July 1, 2021 and June 30, 2022, there was an estimated 368,792 babies born in Canada. This is an increase from 327,107 births over the corresponding period in 2000-2001.

how many deaths ?
Canada: number of deaths 2022 | Statista
Between July 1, 2021 and June 30, 2022, there were 323,220 deaths reported in Canada. Overall, the annual number of deaths recorded in Canada experienced an increase between 2001 and 2022.

the birth rate is marginally higher than the death (RIP-my countrymen/ woman) rate, so some immigration is required


so a whole lot more net inflow

Some fraction of 4.8 Million vs 240 K annual housing starts
canadian housing starts 2022 - Google Search

The rate of new construction continued at an elevated pace in 2022 overall, ending the year with actual total urban starts at 240,590 units (-1%) in Canada, similar to levels observed in 2021 (244,141 units).

Any wonder why there is a housing shortage & sky rocketing prices for homes?
Any wonder why our infrastructure and health care system is being overwhelmed ?

Justin Trudeau is such a fool
policy development requires a whole lot more in-depth analysis and evaluation than does strict adherence to ideology

 

[Carvher]

Maybe the people's party will run again for you.

But oh no, the poorest workers get a raise to $33,100 per year before tax? Obviously they're just a bunch of spoiled fucks.

I suppose we should have a minimum wage of 100,000 per year.
Maybe you can show us your economic knowledge to explain why we should or should not.
Your reply should be interesting.

 

[Not getting younger]

Canada issues record-breaking 4.8 million visas in 2022 - The Economic Times (indiatimes.com)



now an application does not always translate into a move to Canada &
some (not all) students leave once their studies are complete , however they are replaced with an ever increasing number of foreign freshman

so how many people left Canada ie emigrated away?
Canada: number of emigrants 2022 | Statista

This would not likely include the exiting students

how many births ?
Number of births in Canada 2022 | Statista


how many deaths ?
Canada: number of deaths 2022 | Statista
Between July 1, 2021 and June 30, 2022, there were 323,220 deaths reported in Canada. Overall, the annual number of deaths recorded in Canada experienced an increase between 2001 and 2022.

the birth rate is marginally higher than the death (RIP-my countrymen/ woman) rate, so some immigration is required


so a whole lot more net inflow

Some fraction of 4.8 Million vs 240 K annual housing starts
canadian housing starts 2022 - Google Search


Any wonder why there is a housing shortage & sky rocketing prices for homes?
Any wonder why our infrastructure and health care system is being overwhelmed ?

Justin Trudeau is such a fool
policy development requires a whole lot more in-depth analysis and evaluation than does strict adherence to ideology

To maintain the status quo. If our net population growth remains flat..

Debt / GDP????

An ever increasing drain on various social services and expenses due to increased longevity?

 

[Not getting younger]

Simple solution; governments spend money to help people. Dougie has a huge surplus right now. Maybe he should put some effort into providing societal supports instead of just propping up his developer buddies.

Basket case.
huge surplus???. Do you know the difference between deficits and debt?

We are now, thanks to both Dougie and the previous admin in debt up to our eye balls and beyond…

debt / gdp

Given the problems we now have in Ontario. I’ll start with healthcare and critical shortages, growing gaps…plus that aging population and boomers that are going to make healthcare cost explode!!!!!

And that isn’t the only ministry in dire need….then move to Hydro ( still not fixed, just more $$ borrowed for rebates), then move to housing, the black hole that the GTA is….

there are only two solutions.
Ramp up GDP ( triggering more inflation) and likely a recession once we hit capacity…..
Ramp up taxation…and pay down some debt.

Don Drummond ( and he is very left wing) tried to warn you all. No one listened. Money must grow on trees, right? In essence and this is way over simplified. Debt is just a number. How much debt can you personally handle…well depends on your income right? If you have too much debt, can you fix your house that’s falling apart?

So what are your options.
Increase your income ( GDP) and either fix the roof ( still lots more to fix) or start paying down some debt…until the debt is lowered enough that your income ( GDP) can handle it.. or wait decades and decades until income ( gdp) can handle the debt load. And while waiting and waiting and waiting, Hold the line on spending, or alternatively find significant savings and either repair the roof, or pay down some debt.

 

[JohnLarue]

To maintain the status quo. If our net population growth remains flat..

Debt / GDP????

An ever increasing drain on various social services and expenses due to increased longevity?

Canadas Debt is a huge problem.

the fool Justin has run up the federal debt

Canada-Day-Debt-Report-2022.pdf (taxpayer.com)


lets not ignore municipal debt

Municipal public debt in Ontario—where you live matters | Fraser Institute



and the consumer debt

total debt canada consumer - Google Search

And from another report from the Canadian credit bureau, Canadian consumer debt has risen to $2.32 trillion, with an average debt load of approximately $21,183—excluding mortgages.Jun 21, 2023

and the mortgage debt
total mortgage debt canada - Google Search

says the country's total residential mortgage debt was $2.08 trillion as of January this year, up six per cent from January 2022.May 25, 2023

and the cost of debt



This will not end well

 

[Not getting younger]

Ontarios is even worse. Nor does Ontario have the same capacity to “print money”.

 

[JohnLarue]

Basket case.
huge surplus???. Do you know the difference between deficits and debt?

We are now, thanks to both Dougie and the previous admin in debt up to our eye balls and beyond…

debt / gdp

Given the problems we now have in Ontario. I’ll start with healthcare and critical shortages, growing gaps…plus that aging population and boomers that are going to make healthcare cost explode!!!!!

And that isn’t the only ministry in dire need….then move to Hydro ( still not fixed, just more $$ borrowed for rebates), then move to housing, the black hole that the GTA is….

there are only two solutions.
Ramp up GDP ( triggering more inflation) and likely a recession once we hit capacity…..
Ramp up taxation…and pay down some debt.

Don Drummond ( and he is very left wing) tried to warn you all. No one listened. Money must grow on trees, right? In essence and this is way over simplified. Debt is just a number. How much debt can you personally handle…well depends on your income right? If you have too much debt, can you fix your house that’s falling apart?

So what are your options.
Increase your income ( GDP) and either fix the roof ( still lots more to fix) or start paying down some debt…until the debt is lowered enough that your income ( GDP) can handle it.. or wait decades and decades until income ( gdp) can handle the debt load. And while waiting and waiting and waiting, Hold the line on spending, or alternatively find significant savings and either repair the roof, or pay down some debt.

there are other issues with trying to increase GDP via immigration
1. Productivity - will the incremental new Canadian be more productive than the current average Canadian?
Depends on the skill sets of the incremental new Canadian
Justin's ideological approach has lowered the bar to having a pulse is the cutoff criteria
2. As you point out infrastructure costs to support massive numbers of new people will go up
endless deficits are proof govts are unable to support the current population in a sustainable manner, let alone millions of new Canadians

stress any system enough & something will break
the housing market is the likely candidate and unfortunately it along with our energy sector have been the cash cows of our economy
And the fool Justin wants to shut down the latter

 

[JohnLarue]

Ontarios is even worse. Nor does Ontario have the same capacity to “print money”.

yep & you can thank Bob Rea for that
Ontario's debt problem starting in the 1990s just after Rea passed legislation which permitted public sector unions huge leverage over the govt
the provinces payments to public sector unionized employees is it biggest expense

 

[Not getting younger]

Just “food for thought”
There’s nothing that that GTA has that is intrinsic value. Hundred years ago the Great Lakes were the highways for commerce. For the longest time the Montreal and Toronto stock exchanges battled for “control”. And also where head offices would be located……

If you build it, they will come”. In short the GTA has nothing, that couldn’t have been built. Elsewhere. And would be nothing…..

With respect to the energy sector. Consider how much panic there was in Queens Park, Ottawa, and the GTA at the prospect the LNG line under Eire will be shuttered. Part of me, hopes it is.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Immigration isn't the problem - to come to Canada you need lots of money and a place to live already lined up - the tent people are not immigrants. The problem is with refugees - the people with nothing that canada welcomes in with open arms and pays then welfare and free health care. These people don't have any money and there is no way to relocate these people to areas who need more population. Refugees flock to large cities because there are more ethnic people there than say a small town in bumblefuck Saskatchewan. I am totally for spending on Ukraine but I am against Canada's open arms refugee policy.

 

[richaceg]

We are not. Immigrants CHOOSE to come here because that's where the supports are and governments don't want to implement those supports in places where there aren't enough immigrants to justify them.

And I'm sure those friendly small town people would be overjoyed at having a bunch of non-Christian, non-white, non-English speaking, unemployed people being dropped into their pristine little paradise.

You mean. friendly small town people are racist?

 

[Anbarandy]

You mean. friendly small town people are racist?

Every village, burg and hamlet I go to, they all come up to me and they all say:

"We want immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers and their parents, grandparents, nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles and their cousins too! Plus, subways, subways, subways and greenbelt McMansions, mega-spas, car centric sub and exurban sprawl and farmland devouring super-hghways, highways highways and net zero taxes too! "

 

[basketcase]

You mean. friendly small town people are racist?

At least inexperienced with having different people around them. I'd suspect that most people would just adapt and move on but others will start flying their rebel flags and bitch about immigrants taking 'their jobs'.