Two separate issues. Should they trade Marner? Yes. If they decide not to trade him, will he re-sign with a pay cut? Fuck no.
Leafs '22/'23 Thread
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Unless he resigns Keefe will have a job until the new GM is in place. The Leafs are still a country club club.
Just had a chance to watch Shanahan’s explanation of the timeline of the contract extension talks with the Dubas camp and reading between the lines, here’s what I suspect what actually happened :
- After the first round win Shanahan was going to offer Dubas a contract extension ;
- he and Dubas‘ agent had reached some kind of agreement on what the numbers were going to be, X amount if the Leafs should lose to the Panthers and Y amount should the Leafs advance further; the Y amount would be substantially higher;
- after the Leafs got eliminated Dubas’ agent must have received indications from another club that they’re willing to offer him an amount close to the Y amount that the Leafs would have offered should the Leafs advance past the Panthers;
- Shanahan was reluctant to budge;
- Dubas tried to force his hand by coming out with the “family pressure “ bullshit and Shanny was pissed and decided not to offer any extension at all.
- After the first round win Shanahan was going to offer Dubas a contract extension ;
- he and Dubas‘ agent had reached some kind of agreement on what the numbers were going to be, X amount if the Leafs should lose to the Panthers and Y amount should the Leafs advance further; the Y amount would be substantially higher;
- after the Leafs got eliminated Dubas’ agent must have received indications from another club that they’re willing to offer him an amount close to the Y amount that the Leafs would have offered should the Leafs advance past the Panthers;
- Shanahan was reluctant to budge;
- Dubas tried to force his hand by coming out with the “family pressure “ bullshit and Shanny was pissed and decided not to offer any extension at all.
However, Dubas said in his press conference that if he didn't re-sign with the Leafs we wouldn't see him working for another team. That would make another teams offer moot.
You really believe that? He’s only 37 and he’s not going to work for another team but the the Leafs ?
Maybe he did that hoping to get fired. What is his severance package?
However, he probably damaged his prospects with other teams.
The Leafs don’t need to ”fire” him. He’s a contractor and his contract expires on June 30, 2023.
I think a competent employment lawyer will opine that Dubas was an employee and not an independent contractor.
Employees vs Independent Contractors (tslawyers.ca)
Employees vs Independent Contractors (tslawyers.ca)
It's likely that he is considered an employee... with an employee contract that had a fixed end date on the contract.
Either way there is no need for a severance package, so we reach the same conclusion. He just needs to be paid out to the end of his current contract.
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I'm sure they would. Dubas is likely an employee in my view. However that is largely irrelevant here.
You do realize that an employees' employment contract can have a fixed end date right?
In Dubas case the contract was the end of June 2023, and I am sure the Leafs will pay him until then. He is not entitled to a cent after that.
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So, even though Dubas was "fired" on May 19th (and relieved of his duties?), the Leafs still have to pay him until June 30th? Could Dubas sue for reputation damages? As an employee, if he was fired without cause, the usual severance is one month pay per year (9 months in Dubas' case).
Independent contractors vs. employees | Canada (osler.com)
Independent contractors vs. employees | Canada (osler.com)
Most employees don't have a specified term of their contract (nor specific severance terms) in their agreement, which is why common law comes in to dictate what their severance terms should be once they are terminated.
Dubas, like all GM's had a fixed contract date, which I am sure had the severance terms dictated within it.... common practice for NHL is to pay until the end of the contract.
Its not unlike most executives -- most have specific severance terms in their agreement, and a number have fixed end dates of the current contract as well, which are then renegotiated at the end of the term.
So another team was negotiating with the Keefe camp while he was under contract to the Leafs? Isn't that improper?
I hope Brad Treliving becomes Leafs GM, he turned the Florida Panthers into Stanley Cup contenders.
