Oakville teacher wears huge prosthetic breasts to shop class

[Knuckle Ball]

Given the current climate and judging by a lot of the responses on this board, that may be easier said than done.
Members on your side of the table have been characterizing efforts to get rid of this guy as anti Trans.
Would that not be the argument in court, how do you then implement and enforce compliance if the dress code is deemed to be anti Trans.
How do you get over that hump?

I think it’s a mixed group of people that object to Lemieux. Some of us have no objection to trans teachers; the issue is around this particular teacher’s outrageous appearance. I don’t think it’s appropriate and I don’t think it should be allowed in the school; but beyond that I’m not super concerned. Other than being taught by a teacher that looks weird I don’t think any harm is being done to the kids.

Others, though, are quite virulently anti trans. These are the folks who show up screaming at board meetings and making bomb threats. In their mind, trans people are sickos and pedos who should not be allowed near children.

Basically, I think this is one of these situations where most of us agree that the way Lemieux presents herself is inappropriate but the thought process that brought us there was different.

Anyhow, to answer your question, I think employers can implement a dress code as long as it would be viewed as reasonable and not exclusionary of trans teachers. In other words, the policy should explicitly state that it supports the inclusion of trans staff members but that they need to dress appropriately just like everyone else.

Anyway, that’s my opinion. I’m not an expert on labour law.

 

[mitchell76]

I think it’s a mixed group of people that object to Lemieux. Some of us have no objection to trans teachers; the issue is around this particular teacher’s outrageous appearance. I don’t think it’s appropriate and I don’t think it should be allowed in the school; but beyond that I’m not super concerned. Other than being taught by a teacher that looks weird I don’t think any harm is being done to the kids.

Others, though, are quite virulently anti trans. These are the folks who show up screaming at board meetings and making bomb threats. In their mind, trans people are sickos and pedos who should not be allowed near children.

Basically, I think this is one of these situations where most of us agree that the way Lemieux presents herself is inappropriate but the thought process that brought us there was different.

Anyhow, to answer your question, I think employers can implement a dress code as long as it would be viewed as reasonable and not exclusionary of trans teachers. In other words, the policy should explicitly state that it supports the inclusion of trans staff members but that they need to dress appropriately just like everyone else.

Anyway, that’s my opinion. I’m not an expert on labour law.

KB, just to add a bit of levity to the situation. What happens next year, if 60 HDSB teachers decide to dress like Busty Lemieux? Kind of like a copycat thing. Then these 60 teachers, can get paid home leave, as well.

 

[mitchell76]

He's a shop teacher. Shop teachers don't have sugar in their pants. Good for him for playing by the rules for full pay to go away until he is eligible for his pension.

Other teachers might copy his dress code. Why work hard teaching, when you can stay home, and still get paid!!

 

[jcpro]

I dunno…was there not a suggestion out there that as long as the nipples were not visibly poking through the shirt then the rest was okay?

In my opinion, it’s not even just the boobs…her entire presentation is clownishly ridiculous. The dress code would have to specifically describe appropriate professional attire…but I have no idea how they can regulate the size of boobs (real or fake) other than insisting that clothing not be too tight or revealing and that staff are clean, well kempt, and present an appropriate professional image?

It’s a difficult question.

Boobs got it figured out. I wonder if they can agree on pasties with tassels- length and color negotiable.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

KB, just to add a bit of levity to the situation. What happens next year, if 60 HDSB teachers decide to dress like Busty Lemieux? Kind of like a copycat thing. Then these 60 teachers, can get paid home leave, as well.

LOL…This is the problem in trying to develop policies, though- you can plan ahead for common, predictable problems in the course of running a school…but then it’s impossible to predict every crazy thing that might happen or arise. Sometimes shit just happens and it’s no one’s fault and you just deal with it the best you can.

 

[mellowjello]

I think it’s a mixed group of people that object to Lemieux. Some of us have no objection to trans teachers; the issue is around this particular teacher’s outrageous appearance. I don’t think it’s appropriate and I don’t think it should be allowed in the school; but beyond that I’m not super concerned. Other than being taught by a teacher that looks weird I don’t think any harm is being done to the kids.

Others, though, are quite virulently anti trans. These are the folks who show up screaming at board meetings and making bomb threats. In their mind, trans people are sickos and pedos who should not be allowed near children.

Basically, I think this is one of these situations where most of us agree that the way Lemieux presents herself is inappropriate but the thought process that brought us there was different.

Anyhow, to answer your question, I think employers can implement a dress code as long as it would be viewed as reasonable and not exclusionary of trans teachers. In other words, the policy should explicitly state that it supports the inclusion of trans staff members but that they need to dress appropriately just like everyone else.

Anyway, that’s my opinion. I’m not an expert on labour law.

I don't know how a virulent objection to Lemieux's dress and appearance is being construed as anti Trans.
I'm not anti Trans, but his presentation, whether genuine or Kaufmanesque, is grotesque and a total disgrace outside of a private setting.
I don't get how being inclusive of Trans requires this kind of tolerance.
My example in a previous post, should I be able to shove a humungous eggplant or zucchini down my tight jeans and parade around a professional
environment because I want to express some kind of hyper heterosexual masculinity?

 

[mitchell76]

I don't know how a virulent objection to Lemieux's dress and appearance is being construed as anti Trans.
I'm not anti Trans, but his presentation, whether genuine or Kaufmanesque, is grotesque and a total disgrace outside of a private setting.
I don't get how being inclusive of Trans requires this kind of tolerance.
My example in a previous post, should I be able to shove a humungous eggplant or zucchini down my tight jeans and parade around a professional
environment because I want to express some kind of hyper heterosexual masculinity?

That exact argument, was used at one of the HDSB meetings, and the board ignored it.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

I don't know how a virulent objection to Lemieux's dress and appearance is being construed as anti Trans.
I'm not anti Trans, but his presentation, whether genuine or Kaufmanesque, is grotesque and a total disgrace outside of a private setting.
I don't get how being inclusive of Trans requires this kind of tolerance.
My example in a previous post, should I be able to shove a humungous eggplant or zucchini down my tight jeans and parade around a professional
environment because I want to express some kind of hyper heterosexual masculinity?

Well…okay then. Fair enough. When I read that you supported the idea of bomb threats I jumped to the conclusion that you were anti trans. I just find those groups tend to go together but I think in your case I was wrong and that was unfair.

My bad.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

That exact argument, was used at one of the HDSB meetings, and the board ignored it.

LOL…Someone actually used the egg plant example at the board meeting?

 

[jcpro]

I don't know how a virulent objection to Lemieux's dress and appearance is being construed as anti Trans.
I'm not anti Trans, but his presentation, whether genuine or Kaufmanesque, is grotesque and a total disgrace outside of a private setting.
I don't get how being inclusive of Trans requires this kind of tolerance.
My example in a previous post, should I be able to shove a humungous eggplant or zucchini down my tight jeans and parade around a professional
environment because I want to express some kind of hyper heterosexual masculinity?

Are you calling her escape from the oppresive masculinity and the glorious transformation into a beautiful woman grotesque and disgraceful? Who made you the arbiter elegantiarum? Are you against same sex, too?

 

[mellowjello]

Well…okay then. Fair enough. When I read that you supported the idea of bomb threats I jumped to the conclusion that you were anti trans. I just find those groups tend to go together but I think in your case I was wrong and that was unfair.

My bad.

I'm not ideological about anything, I never subscribe to left vs right arguments.
If you take away extreme right and extreme left , I find most people fall in a big overlapping centre.

 

[Frankfooter]

I'm not ideological about anything, I never subscribe to left vs right arguments.
If you take away extreme right and extreme left , I find most people fall in a big overlapping centre.

True enough, but supporting bomb threats doesn't put you in the centre.

 

[mellowjello]

True enough, but supporting bomb threats doesn't put you in the centre.

I tend to stray occasionally.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

I tend to stray occasionally.

LOL…Frank is right, tho. I’m sorry about jumping to conclusions but when you go around supporting the idea of bomb threats you can’t be surprised if people react negatively, no?

 

[mellowjello]

LOL…Frank is right, tho. I’m sorry about jumping to conclusions but when you go around supporting the idea of bomb threats you can’t be surprised if people react negatively, no?

People were reacting negatively before that.

 

[Frankfooter]

People were reacting negatively before that.

True, but violence these days seems to be a right wing answer to everything.
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[mandrill]

They are just running the clock until the end of the semester and politely telling the trustees and the provincial government to go fuck themselves.

I understand why people are angry but at the end of the day it’s the school board’s decision.

Mitchell: Suppose that a lawyer told you that if the school board tries to fire Kayla Lemieux they will almost certainly find themselves on the wrong end of a civil suit and have to pay damages that will financially cripple the board’s funding for next school year. Would you say, “I don’t care. Pay the money if that’s what it takes to get rid of her”? Or would you just let her ride out the semester at home on medical leave?

If tittyman is unionized - and of course he is, as a teacher - the board will have to pay massive damages, reinstate him to his job with back pay and then publicly apologize and grovel while he shakes his immense fake boobs and mocks them.

 

[mandrill]

Given the current climate and judging by a lot of the responses on this board, that may be easier said than done.
Members on your side of the table have been characterizing efforts to get rid of this guy as anti Trans.
Would that not be the argument in court, how do you then implement and enforce compliance if the dress code is deemed to be anti Trans.
How do you get over that hump?

Most people now think that this guy is a troll and is no more trans than you or me. I am guessing that 1 way around it is to characterize tittyman as pulling a scam and trying to obtain an order that he visit a tittydoctor to see if those big bags are real.

 

[mandrill]

He's a shop teacher. Shop teachers don't have sugar in their pants. Good for him for playing by the rules for full pay to go away until he is eligible for his pension.

Why would you cheer someone cheating the taxpayers? Do you actually pay taxes?

 

[Frankfooter]

If tittyman is unionized - and of course he is, as a teacher - the board will have to pay massive damages, reinstate him to his job with back pay and then publicly apologize and grovel while he shakes his immense fake boobs and mocks them.

The one thing that the board could have done is transferred them to a different school or assigned them to special needs students or some class where they'd be out of the spotlight.
Which makes me think that the drag thing only happened occasionally or else the right wing anger threads would be flooded with discussions about different outfits they wore each day.
The board has been very quiet about the entire thing, good on them. They've also kept it so that the right wing took months to figure out who the teacher was, if they were still working and what their name was.
Good on the board.