Oakville teacher wears huge prosthetic breasts to shop class

[Knuckle Ball]

KB, just to add a bit of levity to the situation. What happens next year, if 60 HDSB teachers decide to dress like Busty Lemieux? Kind of like a copycat thing. Then these 60 teachers, can get paid home leave, as well.

LOL…This is the problem in trying to develop policies, though- you can plan ahead for common, predictable problems in the course of running a school…but then it’s impossible to predict every crazy thing that might happen or arise. Sometimes shit just happens and it’s no one’s fault and you just deal with it the best you can.

 

[mellowjello]

I think it’s a mixed group of people that object to Lemieux. Some of us have no objection to trans teachers; the issue is around this particular teacher’s outrageous appearance. I don’t think it’s appropriate and I don’t think it should be allowed in the school; but beyond that I’m not super concerned. Other than being taught by a teacher that looks weird I don’t think any harm is being done to the kids.

Others, though, are quite virulently anti trans. These are the folks who show up screaming at board meetings and making bomb threats. In their mind, trans people are sickos and pedos who should not be allowed near children.

Basically, I think this is one of these situations where most of us agree that the way Lemieux presents herself is inappropriate but the thought process that brought us there was different.

Anyhow, to answer your question, I think employers can implement a dress code as long as it would be viewed as reasonable and not exclusionary of trans teachers. In other words, the policy should explicitly state that it supports the inclusion of trans staff members but that they need to dress appropriately just like everyone else.

Anyway, that’s my opinion. I’m not an expert on labour law.

I don't know how a virulent objection to Lemieux's dress and appearance is being construed as anti Trans.
I'm not anti Trans, but his presentation, whether genuine or Kaufmanesque, is grotesque and a total disgrace outside of a private setting.
I don't get how being inclusive of Trans requires this kind of tolerance.
My example in a previous post, should I be able to shove a humungous eggplant or zucchini down my tight jeans and parade around a professional
environment because I want to express some kind of hyper heterosexual masculinity?

 

[Knuckle Ball]

I don't know how a virulent objection to Lemieux's dress and appearance is being construed as anti Trans.
I'm not anti Trans, but his presentation, whether genuine or Kaufmanesque, is grotesque and a total disgrace outside of a private setting.
I don't get how being inclusive of Trans requires this kind of tolerance.
My example in a previous post, should I be able to shove a humungous eggplant or zucchini down my tight jeans and parade around a professional
environment because I want to express some kind of hyper heterosexual masculinity?

Well…okay then. Fair enough. When I read that you supported the idea of bomb threats I jumped to the conclusion that you were anti trans. I just find those groups tend to go together but I think in your case I was wrong and that was unfair.

My bad.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

That exact argument, was used at one of the HDSB meetings, and the board ignored it.

LOL…Someone actually used the egg plant example at the board meeting?

 

[jcpro]

I don't know how a virulent objection to Lemieux's dress and appearance is being construed as anti Trans.
I'm not anti Trans, but his presentation, whether genuine or Kaufmanesque, is grotesque and a total disgrace outside of a private setting.
I don't get how being inclusive of Trans requires this kind of tolerance.
My example in a previous post, should I be able to shove a humungous eggplant or zucchini down my tight jeans and parade around a professional
environment because I want to express some kind of hyper heterosexual masculinity?

Are you calling her escape from the oppresive masculinity and the glorious transformation into a beautiful woman grotesque and disgraceful? Who made you the arbiter elegantiarum? Are you against same sex, too?

 

[mellowjello]

Well…okay then. Fair enough. When I read that you supported the idea of bomb threats I jumped to the conclusion that you were anti trans. I just find those groups tend to go together but I think in your case I was wrong and that was unfair.

My bad.

I'm not ideological about anything, I never subscribe to left vs right arguments.
If you take away extreme right and extreme left , I find most people fall in a big overlapping centre.

 

[Frankfooter]

I'm not ideological about anything, I never subscribe to left vs right arguments.
If you take away extreme right and extreme left , I find most people fall in a big overlapping centre.

True enough, but supporting bomb threats doesn't put you in the centre.

 

[mellowjello]

True enough, but supporting bomb threats doesn't put you in the centre.

I tend to stray occasionally.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

I tend to stray occasionally.

LOL…Frank is right, tho. I’m sorry about jumping to conclusions but when you go around supporting the idea of bomb threats you can’t be surprised if people react negatively, no?

 

[mellowjello]

LOL…Frank is right, tho. I’m sorry about jumping to conclusions but when you go around supporting the idea of bomb threats you can’t be surprised if people react negatively, no?

People were reacting negatively before that.

 

[Frankfooter]

People were reacting negatively before that.

True, but violence these days seems to be a right wing answer to everything.
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[mandrill]

They are just running the clock until the end of the semester and politely telling the trustees and the provincial government to go fuck themselves.

I understand why people are angry but at the end of the day it’s the school board’s decision.

Mitchell: Suppose that a lawyer told you that if the school board tries to fire Kayla Lemieux they will almost certainly find themselves on the wrong end of a civil suit and have to pay damages that will financially cripple the board’s funding for next school year. Would you say, “I don’t care. Pay the money if that’s what it takes to get rid of her”? Or would you just let her ride out the semester at home on medical leave?

If tittyman is unionized - and of course he is, as a teacher - the board will have to pay massive damages, reinstate him to his job with back pay and then publicly apologize and grovel while he shakes his immense fake boobs and mocks them.

 

[mandrill]

Given the current climate and judging by a lot of the responses on this board, that may be easier said than done.
Members on your side of the table have been characterizing efforts to get rid of this guy as anti Trans.
Would that not be the argument in court, how do you then implement and enforce compliance if the dress code is deemed to be anti Trans.
How do you get over that hump?

Most people now think that this guy is a troll and is no more trans than you or me. I am guessing that 1 way around it is to characterize tittyman as pulling a scam and trying to obtain an order that he visit a tittydoctor to see if those big bags are real.

 

[mandrill]

He's a shop teacher. Shop teachers don't have sugar in their pants. Good for him for playing by the rules for full pay to go away until he is eligible for his pension.

Why would you cheer someone cheating the taxpayers? Do you actually pay taxes?

 

[Frankfooter]

If tittyman is unionized - and of course he is, as a teacher - the board will have to pay massive damages, reinstate him to his job with back pay and then publicly apologize and grovel while he shakes his immense fake boobs and mocks them.

The one thing that the board could have done is transferred them to a different school or assigned them to special needs students or some class where they'd be out of the spotlight.
Which makes me think that the drag thing only happened occasionally or else the right wing anger threads would be flooded with discussions about different outfits they wore each day.
The board has been very quiet about the entire thing, good on them. They've also kept it so that the right wing took months to figure out who the teacher was, if they were still working and what their name was.
Good on the board.

 

[Valcazar]

Members on your side of the table have been characterizing efforts to get rid of this guy as anti Trans.

Who?
Who has characterized that?

People have certainly characterized the whipped up media panic as anti-trans.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

What if it's found out that Busty Lemieux was lying. Would the board still have to pay damages??

We don’t know whether Lemieux’s medical leave has anything to do with her boobs. She was off work since November with a foot injury and this may be the reason that she is still off now. If that’s the case and her medical leave has nothing to do with her boobs then it doesn’t matter if she’s lying.

So I think it depends on why she is off on medical leave. If she is claiming that her gigantomastia is the cause of her inability to work then she would need a doctor’s note confirming this; but we already know that she does not have a note because that’s what she told the NY Post. Thus, I doubt that’s the reason she is off.

Thus, my guess is that her medical leave is based on either:
1. The foot injury;
or
2. Adjustment difficulties related to her transition (ie a mental health issue) and if this is the reason then it doesn’t matter if she has real giant boobs or not because if she believes that she has non-existent boobs that would be consistent with an adjustment disorder/mental health issue.

Either way, I don’t anticipate a doctor will be inspecting Lemieux’ boobs any time soon and, if I was going to bet on the cause of the medical leave my money would be on the foot injury.

 

[Valcazar]

I dunno…was there not a suggestion out there that as long as the nipples were not visibly poking through the shirt then the rest was okay?

In my opinion, it’s not even just the boobs…her entire presentation is clownishly ridiculous. The dress code would have to specifically describe appropriate professional attire…but I have no idea how they can regulate the size of boobs (real or fake) other than insisting that clothing not be too tight or revealing and that staff are clean, well kempt, and present an appropriate professional image?

It’s a difficult question.

Dress codes are really difficult because you have two choices and both can be fucked with if someone deliberately wants to fuck with them.

One - list EVERYTHING you think needs to be there, or otherwise put some very serious limitations.
This has the problem that people mostly hate it if it is too restrictive (everyone in a uniform) and it almost always means something gets left out, because you can't think of everything. Then someone who wants to fuck with it just works to the loopholes and you have to deal with shit all over again.

Two - go for some vague general sense like "professional", "appropriate", and so on.
This has the problem that it isn't strictly defined so you can end up with fights over what is appropriate or not and why.

The simple fact is that if someone is determined to fuck with the system and dares you to crack down on them, you can't do much about it. Either crack down on them and face the backlash (either in public or the lawsuit) or ignore them and deal with them giving a fuck you to the code.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Dress codes are really difficult because you have two choices and both can be fucked with if someone deliberately wants to fuck with them.

One - list EVERYTHING you think needs to be there, or otherwise put some very serious limitations.
This has the problem that people mostly hate it if it is too restrictive (everyone in a uniform) and it almost always means something gets left out, because you can't think of everything. Then someone who wants to fuck with it just works to the loopholes and you have to deal with shit all over again.

Two - go for some vague general sense like "professional", "appropriate", and so on.
This has the problem that it isn't strictly defined so you can end up with fights over what is appropriate or not and why.

The simple fact is that if someone is determined to fuck with the system and dares you to crack down on them, you can't do much about it. Either crack down on them and face the backlash (either in public or the lawsuit) or ignore them and deal with them giving a fuck you to the code.

This problem traces back to the fact that somehow the HDSB has no dress code policy whatsoever at this time; and they can’t simply impose one in the midst of collective bargaining.

I don’t think Lemieux could pass any dress code of any sort in any organization anywhere; but if an organization has nothing whatsoever in place then this is what can happen.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

I really doubt it's the foot injury---LOL Busty Lemieux is just a scam artist!! The HDSB is so tired of this controversy, that they just told him to stay home. The stupid HDSB should have taken Howard Levitt's advice. Howard Levitt is the best employment lawyer in Canada, and get's paid over $1000/hr.

Also, Busty seemed to be walking pretty good, in that recent New York post video.

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LOL…You just want to know if the boobs are real. Like…we all know they’re probably not; but…hypothetically speaking…what if they actually are REAL???

I wanna know too…not gonna lie.