Oakville teacher wears huge prosthetic breasts to shop class

[Dutch Oven]

They're clearly getting legal advice from real lawyers that it isn't as easy as you make it seem.

They are getting the same legal advice I've outlined (from Hicks Morley, no doubt). The only things stopping the Board from taking that advice are: a) future political ambitions of the trustees (largely to run as NDP or Liberal candidates), b) incompetence as administrators, and c) the absence of any mechanism for accountability for trustees other than elections (but the truth is that hardly anyone pays attention to Trustee races, and therefore incumbents are returned at a very high rate, no matter how badly they performed their functions).

Just like when the Toronto board wanted the province to absolve them of making the hard decisions on their budget so they did nothing and forced an adminstrator to come in, this Board wants someone else to order them what to do. Voters should not return politicians who won't make the decisions they've been elected to make.

The solution is just as easy as I have described it.

If I were Ford and I had to step in, I would not amend the HRC. I would appoint an administrator to do the job that the Board is refusing to do.

 

[mellowjello]

Those bomb threats are probably just kids trolling the school.
A real terrorist isnt gonna announce his bomb plans, he will just go out and do it

Thank you.
It might of been parents too, but it wasn't going to happen.
Extremism breeds extremism.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Those bomb threats are probably just kids trolling the school.
A real terrorist isnt gonna announce his bomb plans, he will just go out and do it

Certainly the object of terrorism is to create terror. If a terrorist can accomplish that without the expense or the risk of getting caught setting off bombs, I think they would do so. If nothing short of a real bomb would create terror, I would agree with you.

In this case, I do agree with your take that these particular bomb threats are not genuine. They are from people trying to get the school board to feel enough pressure to act, because it sure appears that the Trustees don't intend to do anything unless a lot of pressure is brought to bear.

 

[Frankfooter]

Those bomb threats are probably just kids trolling the school.
A real terrorist isnt gonna announce his bomb plans, he will just go out and do it

Kids don't issue bomb threats to schools.
We have seen a lot of sympathy here for those issuing bomb threats from right wingers, though.

 

[jcpro]

You're asking the powers that be to take upon itself the power to decide who is and isn't trans. . e

Labour arbitrators may be liberal minded for the most part, but not so much so that they wouldn't enforce a school dress code that prevented the wearing of prosthetic breasts, except to replace breasts that have been surgically altered or removed for medical reasons. This joker is not going to be able to produce a doctor to testify at an arbitration hearing that this guy needs to wear his halloween costume for his mental health. Even a liberal arbitrator is going to have disdain for the mockery this guy's behaviour presents. His behaviour is actually an obstacle for genuinely trans individuals who want to present as a credible woman that this guy is intentionally presenting a caricature, thereby sexualizing the classroom environment.

There is no need to amend the Human Rights Code. The case will be heard at arbitration, if ever at all.

The school board is ducking their responsibility here.

 

[Dutch Oven]

You're asking the powers that be to take upon itself the power to decide who is and isn't trans. . e

Well, that's exactly how it would play out in a hearing, so the decision maker will have to make the same decision. Not that complicated. You ask for a medical opinion as to whether the individual is behaving according to their bona fide belief that they are transexual and, further, whether the wearing of the particular prosthetic is recommended by the doctor for the benefit of the individual's mental health. You also ask the doctor if Lemieux's mental health poses any limitation on his ability to function as a teacher or whether it poses any risks to students. If Lemieux can overcome those hurdles (which I doubt), you then move on to whether the Board can reasonably accomodate this individual's mental health needs.

 

[Frankfooter]

You're asking the powers that be to take upon itself the power to decide who is and isn't trans. . e

Hey, welcome back, jc.
Hope you're feeling better.

 

[Valcazar]

Kids don't issue bomb threats to schools.
We have seen a lot of sympathy here for those issuing bomb threats from right wingers, though.

Violence to achieve political aims has become acceptable and even encouraged among the right in North America.

 

[Frankfooter]

It could just as easily have been a left wing parent who issued a bomb threat, to Oakville Trafalgar High School. Why are the right wingers getting all the blame??

Bomb threats may seam drastic, but l applaud whoever it was, ...

If the law can't protect me from threat of harm, I'm taking the law into my own hands.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Violence to achieve political aims has become acceptable and even encouraged among the right in North America.

Yes, it is becoming more acceptable by activists on the right. It already was acceptable and practised by activists on the left.

 

[mellowjello]

Kids don't issue bomb threats to schools.
We have seen a lot of sympathy here for those issuing bomb threats from right wingers, though.

Who are the right wingers?

 

[Valcazar]

Yes, it is becoming more acceptable by activists on the right. It already was acceptable and practised by activists on the left.

Oh Dutch.
Projecting as always.

 

[Valcazar]

It could just as easily have been a left wing parent who issued a bomb threat, to Oakville Trafalgar High School. Why are the right wingers getting all the blame??

Just playing the percentages.
Right wing is much more violent right now and being actively encouraged to be that way.

Also, from the brief descriptions we have had of the bomb threats, they are threatening the school for employing this person and or for not doing what the people who are angry about it want.

If the threats were attacking the school for not supporting the teacher enough, or were threats against the parents for protesting, it would have been trumpeted from the rooftops, I expect.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Oh Dutch.
Projecting as always.

Wow. That's major league delusional.

 

[Valcazar]

Wow. That's major league delusional.

It's ok Dutch.
Everyone here is well aware of how strong a grip you have on reality.

 

[jcpro]

Well, that's exactly how it would play out in a hearing, so the decision maker will have to make the same decision. Not that complicated. You ask for a medical opinion as to whether the individual is behaving according to their bona fide belief that they are transexual and, further, whether the wearing of the particular prosthetic is recommended by the doctor for the benefit of the individual's mental health. You also ask the doctor if Lemieux's mental health poses any limitation on his ability to function as a teacher or whether it poses any risks to students. If Lemieux can overcome those hurdles (which I doubt), you then move on to whether the Board can reasonably accomodate this individual's mental health needs.

With all due respect- not that complicated?? At the crazy time when we can't define what is a woman? Good luck with that.

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1631354955293417489

How is the School Board incompetent?

Because they took their attorneys' advice?

 

[mandrill]

We don't even know who their lawyers are?? I trust Howard Levitt's opinion more than their lawyers' opinion!! Also, why do the taxpayers have to pay for these consultants??

Okay. But you're not a school board member. So you don't get to choose what lawyers they hire and listen to, do you?

And if they hire a lawyer you don't like and listen to his / her advice, that still doesn't make them incompetent, does it?

 

[Knuckle Ball]

We don't even know who their lawyers are?? I trust Howard Levitt's opinion more than their lawyers' opinion!! Also, why do the taxpayers have to pay for these consultants??

They are just running the clock until the end of the semester and politely telling the trustees and the provincial government to go fuck themselves.

I understand why people are angry but at the end of the day it’s the school board’s decision.

Mitchell: Suppose that a lawyer told you that if the school board tries to fire Kayla Lemieux they will almost certainly find themselves on the wrong end of a civil suit and have to pay damages that will financially cripple the board’s funding for next school year. Would you say, “I don’t care. Pay the money if that’s what it takes to get rid of her”? Or would you just let her ride out the semester at home on medical leave?

 

[Knuckle Ball]

KB, I guess you're right. However, In this case I think the board might have a good chance in court. Obviously, I'm not a lawyer. However, IMHO if you're involved in a civil lawsuit, then both sets of lawyers get to do discoveries. In these discoveries, it will come out that Lemieux is lying. The Defence lawyers will get doctors to check Lemieux out etc ie Get one of their Doctors to give Lemieux a physical exam. Then the Doc will discover that her boobs are fake---LOL

Also, what's stopping Lemieux from getting paid home leave for years, and just not this semester??

I don’t know. It’s possible that she could be on long term medical leave for years. Maybe that’s how this will end up? At that point it would be the board’s insurance company that would be paying her disability benefits.