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jcpro

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No, and that looks like a real back pedal.
You've been accusing anyone freaking out about this as being right wing and anti Trans.
So back to a question I've put out a number of times and gets ignored, are there no non right wingers out there freaking
out about this? If so, are they anti Trans?
How do you come to a conclusion about who's left or right based on where they stand on this issue specifically?
It's all identity politics in the ideological straightjacket. If you're against Boobs Lemieux, you're anti trans righty. If you want to take your son to the strip joint, you're a redneck righty, but if you put on a trans show at school, you're a good lefty. If you question climate agenda, you're anti science righty. But, if you dismiss biology and insist that men can get pregnant, you're a woke lefty. Above all- you can question Boobs Lemieux's motivations because his actions are bad optics, but "she's" hardly alone, just extra large.

 

mandrill

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It's all identity politics in the ideological straightjacket. If you're against Boobs Lemieux, you're anti trans righty. If you want to take your son to the strip joint, you're a redneck righty, but if you put on a trans show at school, you're a good lefty. If you question climate agenda, you're anti science righty. But, if you dismiss biology and insist that men can get pregnant, you're a woke lefty. Above all- you can question Boobs Lemieux's motivations because his actions are bad optics, but "she's" hardly alone, just extra large.

You realize that you live in a fantasy world, JC. Most "lefties" on this board think that Boobs is a rightie troll. It's got SFA to do with actual trans rights. I went to the Rail and other strip joints literally 100's of times. And you call me a leftie.

Similar with the rest of the sad nonsense you just wrote.
 

jcpro

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You realize that you live in a fantasy world, JC. Most "lefties" on this board think that Boobs is a rightie troll. It's got SFA to do with actual trans rights. I went to the Rail and other strip joints literally 100's of times. And you call me a leftie.

Similar with the rest of the sad nonsense you just wrote.
read again- re. strip joint. 😆 Did you take your kid with you?

 

mandrill

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read again- re. strip joint. 😆 Did you take your kid with you?
It's a fully dressed little girl dancing while her mom and other women clap. What's wrong with you?
 

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Dutch Oven

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Dress codes are really difficult because you have two choices and both can be fucked with if someone deliberately wants to fuck with them.

One - list EVERYTHING you think needs to be there, or otherwise put some very serious limitations.
This has the problem that people mostly hate it if it is too restrictive (everyone in a uniform) and it almost always means something gets left out, because you can't think of everything. Then someone who wants to fuck with it just works to the loopholes and you have to deal with shit all over again.

Two - go for some vague general sense like "professional", "appropriate", and so on.
This has the problem that it isn't strictly defined so you can end up with fights over what is appropriate or not and why.

The simple fact is that if someone is determined to fuck with the system and dares you to crack down on them, you can't do much about it. Either crack down on them and face the backlash (either in public or the lawsuit) or ignore them and deal with them giving a fuck you to the code.
Anyone who has had responsibility for these issues in the real world would be undeterred by the lack of "certainty" as to how the policy should be drafted, and whether anyone will try to test its limits. It's not possible to be "certain" how an arbitrator will react to every aspect of the policy. You won't even know who the arbitrator will be until a grievance goes forward to arbitration, and every arbitrator is likely to have slightly different views. As a result, you draft the policy to prohibit everything that could negatively affect the learning environment, and you let an arbitrator decide if the policy needs to be refined, and how. Policies are organic. They change and adapt over time and in response to legal rulings. That is no reason to shy away from the task at hand. The focus needs to be put back on education in Lemieux's classroom, in the school, and in the school board as a whole.
 

Insidious Von

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812 posts on a useless subject, you guys are easily titillated. Let's move to something more important.

 

Valcazar

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Anyone who has had responsibility for these issues in the real world would be undeterred by the lack of "certainty" as to how the policy should be drafted, and whether anyone will try to test its limits. It's not possible to be "certain" how an arbitrator will react to every aspect of the policy. You won't even know who the arbitrator will be until a grievance goes forward to arbitration, and every arbitrator is likely to have slightly different views. As a result, you draft the policy to prohibit everything that could negatively affect the learning environment, and you let an arbitrator decide if the policy needs to be refined, and how. Policies are organic. They change and adapt over time and in response to legal rulings. That is no reason to shy away from the task at hand. The focus needs to be put back on education in Lemieux's classroom, in the school, and in the school board as a whole.
Yes, you can't draft a perfect code that avoids all problems.
Some will just not draft a code at all because they think it is obvious teachers won't want to fuck with that kind of thing and an unspoken agreement will do. (After all, lots of people believe that over regulating something is bad.) This might bite them in the ass. Or they will draft a code and someone will use its loopholes against them. Thus drafting a code will bite them in the ass.

Pick your poison.
 
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Yes, you can't draft a perfect code that avoids all problems.
Some will just not draft a code at all because they think it is obvious teachers won't want to fuck with that kind of thing and an unspoken agreement will do. (After all, lots of people believe that over regulating something is bad.) This might bite them in the ass. Or they will draft a code and someone will use its loopholes against them. Thus drafting a code will bite them in the ass.

Pick your poison.
That's my point. Again, you can't shirk your responsibility for the education of children because your draft code may get picked at by an arbitrator. That kind of dithering is not management material.

To illustrate the point by comparison to another employment decision - do you know why companies fire employees when they know they don't have just cause and are probably going to end up paying significant severance? Answer - because that employee is doing so much harm to the business, replacing them is worth the cost. Likewise here, except I think this problem ends with a policy. Lemieux won't bet his job on defying the policy. He'll cook up some form of mental health leave and file a grievance over the policy. Teachers unions have no balls (they aren't reall unions - they never had to organize anyone - statute granted them bargaining rights), so they'll go through the theatre of pursuing the grievance, and everyone will know it's theatre, including the arbitrator.
 
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Valcazar

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That's my point. Again, you can't shirk your responsibility for the education of children because your draft code may get picked at by an arbitrator. That kind of dithering is not management material.
I don't think anyone is holding up the school board here as the paragons of management material.
I am just pointing out that the original decision not to have a dress code isn't some mysterious abdication of authority.

Crafting one in the middle of potential lawsuits is even more fraught. (Especially if there is an actual collective bargaining negotiation going on, which some people have said but I haven't verified.)

To illustrate the point by comparison to another employment decision - do you know why companies fire employees when they know they don't have just cause and are probably going to end up paying significant severance? Answer - because that employee is doing so much harm to the business, replacing them is worth the cost.
Totally agree.
Sometimes you have to make the call and take one hit to reduce the other hit.

To you, this may seem obvious, but unless you are intimately involved in their business, I don't know if I should believe your analysis.
I sure as hell don't know what their actual situation is.

They seem to think waiting this out is the better strategy.
There is a good chance they are wrong.

Likewise here, except I think this problem ends with a policy. Lemieux won't bet his job on defying the policy. He'll cook up some form of mental health leave and file a grievance over the policy. Teachers unions have no balls (they aren't reall unions - they never had to organize anyone - statute granted them bargaining rights), so they'll go through the theatre of pursuing the grievance, and everyone will know it's theatre, including the arbitrator.
You are welcome to make whatever guess you want.
 

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Yes, you can't draft a perfect code that avoids all problems.
Some will just not draft a code at all because they think it is obvious teachers won't want to fuck with that kind of thing and an unspoken agreement will do. (After all, lots of people believe that over regulating something is bad.) This might bite them in the ass. Or they will draft a code and someone will use its loopholes against them. Thus drafting a code will bite them in the ass.

Pick your poison.
This isn't about this one teacher, its part of a larger campaign against LGBTQ, trans and women's rights.
 
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