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Phil C. McNasty

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So....you think if they learn about the LGBTQ community...they'll all of a sudden become gay or trans???
Where I have said this?? You're putting words in my mouth now.
People are born heterosexual or gay. You can't turn someone gay.

I stand by my earlier point.
6 and 7-year olds should not have LGBQT politics shoved down their throats.
Its fucking creepy as hell, and the fact you dont have a problem with it speaks volumes
 
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Where I have said this?? You're putting words in my mouth now.
People are born heterosexual or gay. You can't turn someone gay.

I stand by my earlier point.
6 and 7-year olds should not have LGBQT politics shoved down their throats.
Its fucking creepy as hell, and the fact you dont have a problem with it speaks volumes
You said:
No, I prefer kids grow up and let them be free to make their own choices instead of having some rainbow agenda pushed on them
It sounds like you're concerned that by learning about LGTBQ stuff (i.e. the rainbow agenda) that they'll be forced into some sexual orientation. And, I agree that you can't make someone gay or straight. So, the question here is, why does learning about LGBTQ stuff bother you so much? I mean, they don't learn anything that isn't age appropriate (like, they aren't taught what a bottom is or how to scissor), but they might learn that even people who have different love interests are still worthy of our respect. Is that what bothers you about all of this?

I mean, if you strip out the pearl-clutching "what about the children" right-wing media hysteria, what is the issue here? It's just like how conservatives are suddenly freaking out that kids might learn about the barbaric nature of slavery in the US, or that the civil war wasn't really about State's rights. Shouldn't schools teach the truth? And, being taught not to hate someone based on their skin colour, religion, disability or sexual orientation is a good thing. But, please, explain to me why it isn't?
 

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You said:


It sounds like you're concerned that by learning about LGTBQ stuff (i.e. the rainbow agenda) that they'll be forced into some sexual orientation. And, I agree that you can't make someone gay or straight. So, the question here is, why does learning about LGBTQ stuff bother you so much? I mean, they don't learn anything that isn't age appropriate (like, they aren't taught what a bottom is or how to scissor), but they might learn that even people who have different love interests are still worthy of our respect. Is that what bothers you about all of this?

I mean, if you strip out the pearl-clutching "what about the children" right-wing media hysteria, what is the issue here? It's just like how conservatives are suddenly freaking out that kids might learn about the barbaric nature of slavery in the US, or that the civil war wasn't really about State's rights. Shouldn't schools teach the truth? And, being taught not to hate someone based on their skin colour, religion, disability or sexual orientation is a good thing. But, please, explain to me why it isn't?
For the simple reason that I wouldnt want my kids exposed to this type of stuff at an early age. If you wanna devote a few hours of classtime to teach that not everyone is heterosexual then I'm ok with that, but wait until they reach age of consent (which is 16 in Canada)
 

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For the simple reason that I wouldnt want my kids exposed to this type of stuff at an early age. If you wanna devote a few hours of classtime to teach that not everyone is heterosexual then I'm ok with that, but wait until they reach age of consent (which is 16 in Canada)
You don't think they'll see gay relationships or have questions about them before the age of 16? And for those who are confused by their orientation, do you want to deny them knowledge of what is going on and why it's alright? I mean, that's the system we had for a LOOOONG time, one where "sexual deviations" like homosexuality were ignored or called evil. We've seen thousands of closeted people suffer in silence because they were not comfortable being themselves. Think of all those kids who were bullied or killed themselves. There are gay people in the world and ignoring it doesn't help anyone. And, just to be clear, they don't teach kids the ins and outs of gay sex. They are not taught that gays are superior to straight folks, or anything stupid like that. It's all about the fact that there are different people out there, and not to treat them badly because of who they love.
 
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You don't think they'll see gay relationships or have questions about them before the age of 16? And for those who are confused by their orientation, do you want to deny them knowledge of what is going on and why it's alright? I mean, that's the system we had for a LOOOONG time, one where "sexual deviations" like homosexuality were ignored or called evil. We've seen thousands of closeted people suffer in silence because they were not comfortable being themselves. Think of all those kids who were bullied or killed themselves. There are gay people in the world and ignoring it doesn't help anyone. And, just to be clear, they don't teach kids the ins and outs of gay sex. They are not taught that gays are superior to straight folks, or anything stupid like that. It's all about the fact that there are different people out there, and not to treat them badly because of who they love
What if a school child was of the Christian or Muslim faith, and LGBQT lifestyle goes against their values, do you still think LGBQT should be pushed on them, or do they have the right to not want to be subjected to it??
 

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What if a school child was of the Christian or Muslim faith, and LGBQT lifestyle goes against their values, do you still think LGBQT should be pushed on them, or do they have the right to not want to be subjected to it??
How waiving a rainbow flag pushing anything on anyone. How could teaching children tolerance be a bad thing.
 
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What if a school child was of the Christian or Muslim faith, and LGBQT lifestyle goes against their values, do you still think LGBQT should be pushed on them, or do they have the right to not want to be subjected to it??
How waiving a rainbow flag pushing anything on anyone. How could teaching children tolerance be a bad thing.
I don't think learning about something is pushing it on them. I mean, there are gay christians and muslims. And not all christians and muslim are anti-gay. But by that logic, teaching these people that women have equal rights could also be an affront to their faith...Or that other religions exist and that is acceptable....Where would you draw the line?
 

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I don't think learning about something is pushing it on them. I mean, there are gay christians and muslims. And not all christians and muslim are anti-gay. But by that logic, teaching these people that women have equal rights could also be an affront to their faith...Or that other religions exist and that is acceptable....Where would you draw the line?
Would you be okay with schools teaching Islam or Christianity to kids??
 

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If you wanna devote a few hours of classtime to teach that not everyone is heterosexual then I'm ok with that, but wait until they reach age of consent (which is 16 in Canada)
That is all they teach.

How is it not pushing on anyone??
You're basically telling them that if you dont go along with the LGBQT agenda that you're a bad person
What is this 'agenda' you claim exists?
What do you think they teach them?

Certainly not this:

 

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Why not. Is learning about other religions or cultures a bad thing? You seem to be confusion teaching and proselytizing
You need to learn about the Charter of Canada. Pay special attention to the bolded part:


Freedom of religion includes both the right to manifest beliefs and practices and the right to be free from state coercion or constraint in matters of religion
 

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Would you be okay with schools teaching Islam or Christianity to kids??
I went to a catholic school. Due to a constitutional quirk, it is publicly funded. Should it continue to exist? Not really. I think religion should be taught to children, but not about converting or joining any of them. Should they learn about Jesus, Mohammad and Buddha? Yes. Should they learn parts of the religion so they have a better understanding of the world and what is causing things to happen? Yes. Should they be told that one religion is better than the other an they should get baptized or convert? Fuck no. That is a personal choice. Yes, our parents might raise us in a particular faith, but at a certain point you decide if that is right for you.

Teaching about LGBTQ stuff is similar. Should they tell kids they are straight or gay? No, but does it hurt them to understand what that means? No! It isn't grooming anyone to all of a sudden have boys be tricked into being attracted to other boys, or that a girl should transition into another gender. If anything, it is to teach them that homosexuals exist, and they are just people who deserve respect because they were born that way. And I think that last part is the main reason why conservatives are outraged by this. They don't want a world where you can't call someone faggot or where it isn't acceptable to discriminate against someone for being different.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I went to a catholic school. Due to a constitutional quirk, it is publicly funded. Should it continue to exist? Not really. I think religion should be taught to children, but not about converting or joining any of them. Should they learn about Jesus, Mohammad and Buddha? Yes. Should they learn parts of the religion so they have a better understanding of the world and what is causing things to happen? Yes. Should they be told that one religion is better than the other an they should get baptized or convert? Fuck no. That is a personal choice. Yes, our parents might raise us in a particular faith, but at a certain point you decide if that is right for you.

Teaching about LGBTQ stuff is similar. Should they tell kids they are straight or gay? No, but does it hurt them to understand what that means? No! It isn't grooming anyone to all of a sudden have boys be tricked into being attracted to other boys, or that a girl should transition into another gender. If anything, it is to teach them that homosexuals exist, and they are just people who deserve respect because they were born that way. And I think that last part is the main reason why conservatives are outraged by this. They don't want a world where you can't call someone faggot or where it isn't acceptable to discriminate against someone for being different
I'm fine with all that but wait until the child is 16 years old.

Teaching 6-year old kids about LGBQT is unacceptable IMO
 
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