Prominent conservatives issue 72 Page report rebutting Trump election claims

[mandrill]

KKK was composed of Democrats.

All of whom repudiated the Democratic Party when JFK sent the 82nd ABN to desegregate Ole Miss and walk a half-dozen brave Black students to their classes. And all of whom turned to support the GOP which then snarfled up Southern racists' votes the way an alley mongrel gobbles up turds on the sidewalk.

 

[mandrill]

yeah, OK

America’s Top 20 Cities for Crime, and What Party Runs Them

Crime in some cities is “worse than Honduras, worse than Afghanistan,” President Donald Trump says, and they are “Democrat-run. Radical left-run.”

www.dailysignal.com

Isn't the "Daily Signal" a neo nazi publication, JC?

And aside from that, are you going to make look up all those stats which prove violent crime is worse in shitpile Red States than in any large Northern city??

 

[mandrill]

For every season, spin, spin, spin.... On every subject, spin, spin, spin... To this very day , all you need is to look at the Democrat run cities and that's all you need to know about the Democrat "about face" on the race relations- murder, poverty and mayhem.

Hey, bud? The way you used to derail and deflect our threads used to be by talking about gas prices. What happened to all that?

Have things suddenly changed out there in the wonderland of far right websites that you apparently read 14 hours a day?

 

[dirtydaveiii]

yeah, OK

America’s Top 20 Cities for Crime, and What Party Runs Them

Crime in some cities is “worse than Honduras, worse than Afghanistan,” President Donald Trump says, and they are “Democrat-run. Radical left-run.”

www.dailysignal.com

Why can't these republican governors do anything about skyrocketing crime in their states? It's funny how the right wingers shift from blaming crime on the governors to mayors if the governors are Republicans. Also read this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

 

[squeezer]

Why Do Republicans Lie So Much

The simple answer is they are scammers and grifters.

Why Do Republicans Lie So Much

Republicans seem to have decided that lying is their best option. Rather than risk the wrath of the disgraced former president, they lie about who won the election and who is responsible for the Jan....

patriotsnet.weebly.com

 

[squeezer]

Hey, bud? The way you used to derail and deflect our threads used to be by talking about gas prices. What happened to all that?

Have things suddenly changed out there in the wonderland of far right websites that you apparently read 14 hours a day?

The right is pissed gas prices are going down ROTFLMFAO

 

[Frankfooter]

yeah, OK

America’s Top 20 Cities for Crime, and What Party Runs Them

Crime in some cities is “worse than Honduras, worse than Afghanistan,” President Donald Trump says, and they are “Democrat-run. Radical left-run.”

www.dailysignal.com

The cities are dems and the inbred backwaters are GOP.
The suckers are the republicans in the poorest counties that keep voting for millionaires and billionaires that make their lives worse.
The GOP gets the poor states and the poor counties.

 

[jcpro]

The cities are dems and the inbred backwaters are GOP.
The suckers are the republicans in the poorest counties that keep voting for millionaires and billionaires that make their lives worse.
The GOP gets the poor states and the poor counties.

And that means exactly what? The crime and poverty are concentrated in a very small areas occupied by Democrat loving blacks. So, Chicago has top 5 GDP in America AND one of the highest crime and poverty rates at exactly the same time. Fewer slogans and less politics and more nuance, buddy.

 

[jcpro]

Isn't the "Daily Signal" a neo nazi publication, JC?

And aside from that, are you going to make look up all those stats which prove violent crime is worse in shitpile Red States than in any large Northern city??

Let's see your numbers.

 

[jcpro]

Hey, bud? The way you used to derail and deflect our threads used to be by talking about gas prices. What happened to all that?

Have things suddenly changed out there in the wonderland of far right websites that you apparently read 14 hours a day?

The conversation goes where it goes but I can understand your distress- having someone remind you how badly Joe and his Democrat majority mismanaged, well, everything.

 

[Frankfooter]

And that means exactly what? The crime and poverty are concentrated in a very small areas occupied by Democrat loving blacks. So, Chicago has top 5 GDP in America AND one of the highest crime and poverty rates at exactly the same time. Fewer slogans and less politics and more nuance, buddy.

So you're saying Chicago, like other dem cities in Dem states, is more rich and that dem states are less violent than repub states?

Analysis: States with the most gun violence share one trait

There's one thing that is indisputable in the available data on gun violence: Where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths. This is true despite Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's attempt to explain away gun deaths by comparing them to gun violence in Chicago.

www.cnn.com

So all you can do is point to a few neighbourhoods and blame black Americans?
Even while all the GOP states and counties are both poorer and more violent?

 

[jcpro]

So you're saying Chicago, like other dem cities in Dem states, is more rich and that dem states are less violent than repub states?

Analysis: States with the most gun violence share one trait

There's one thing that is indisputable in the available data on gun violence: Where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths. This is true despite Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's attempt to explain away gun deaths by comparing them to gun violence in Chicago.

www.cnn.com

So all you can do is point to a few neighbourhoods and blame black Americans?
Even while all the GOP states and counties are both poorer and more violent?

LOL!!!! That's because the high crime/poverty areas are highly concentrated. You were perfectly safe north of 696 in the Detroit area or on the "right" side of the river in Flint.

 

[Frankfooter]

LOL!!!! That's because the high crime/poverty areas are highly concentrated. You were perfectly safe north of 696 in the Detroit area or on the "right" side of the river in Flint.

But its not.

Its in all poor neighbourhoods, including the 9/10 republican counties and republican states that are the poorest and where there are more gun deaths.
You don't want to acknowledge those facts because you just want to blame black Americans only.

 

[jcpro]

But its not.

Its in all poor neighbourhoods, including the 9/10 republican counties and republican states that are the poorest and where there are more gun deaths.
You don't want to acknowledge those facts because you just want to blame black Americans only.

Poor doesn't mean high crime. That is a fact you keep missing.

 

[Frankfooter]

Poor doesn't mean high crime. That is a fact you keep missing.

Yes it does.

Crime appears to be closely tied to economic conditions. States with limited economic opportunity and a large percentage of residents struggling financially also tend to have higher violent crime rates. Conversely, economic conditions tend to be in states with lower crime. These are America’s richest and poorest states.

 

[jcpro]

Yes it does.

Crime appears to be closely tied to economic conditions. States with limited economic opportunity and a large percentage of residents struggling financially also tend to have higher violent crime rates. Conversely, economic conditions tend to be in states with lower crime. These are America’s richest and poorest states.

really? Do explain the difference in the crime rates between low GDP jurisdictions.

 

[Dutch Oven]

I'd call that interference. I mean, the State court ordered the recount, and the SCOTUS overruled them. It was such a tight race that maybe Gore might have prevailed. But he, unlike Trump and his recounts in Arizona and Wisconsin, wasn't given the opportunity.

Two tries, and you're still getting the characterization wrong. In the final result, the courts decided not to interfere with the election.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Interesting take. But as KDK wrote, didn't these pro-trump groups run investigations, not just simply recounts? (Eg the cyber ninjas). Moreover, when I watched some of the Jan 6 hearings the Trump DOJ lawyers/officials including Bill Barr all said - under oath - they were chasing down all sorts of allegations none of which withstood minimum scrutiny. The pillow guy did a live thing to prove his packets theory, and his own experts said nothing is there. All the "maths" blokes have been bouncing around the USA claiming their maths prove fraud have been thoroughly debunked.

And I'd add having a theory means nothing if it not based on some evidence. If my theory is someone is murderer, that I just have a feeling, that they leave their house for 9 hours a day, I'm not sure what they're doing...is not grounds to open an investigation. Ya need more. And a pol who is trailing in the polls - 8 pts right before the 2020 election, according to the Financial Times https://ig.ft.com/us-election-2020/polls/
- and loses by 4 points is not probable cause. A pol who was reviled by a majority of the country and never got above 45% approval and who lost is not probable cause.

Remember mail ins were allowed because it was a pandemic. But I think the Fox crowd makes people think any vote that comes in via mail is counted. It is not. It is compared to the registered voter list. Name must match. Signature must match. And it is cross checked to make sure they did not vote in person. Moreover, why did these same voters not vote for dems in senate or house, who outperformed those polls?

I think KDK is right and it makes sense to me that the incessant, breathless, every day a new fraud (which gets debunked, but quietly dropped in favour of the next breathless theory) has so burned in a feeling of fraud into a significant proportion of the USA population that it seems no information can change their minds. It reminds me of the mass sexual abuse cases in the 1980s in USA and Australia where no corroborating info uncovered, to the point the true believers argued that the absence of evidence for the mass abuse is in fact proof of the mass abuse but that these evil Satanists are not just guilty but so clever they perfectly covered their tracks.

Carl Sagan always said big claims require big evidence. Claiming a USA national election was "rigged" or fraudulent is a massive claim.

Moreover the biggest claimants of fraud either refuse to go under oath, or those who have gone under oath admit they don't have any evidence, or claim no reasonable person should believe their fraud claims. Full stop. About as open and shut as anything I've seen.

The fact that you've had to cobble analysis together from Barr's testimony, or a limited audit in one state (without access to all the required records, as you might recall) demonstrates the absence of comprehensive election audits reporting back to the states and to the people, making my point.

I do not accept that mail-ins were necessary because of Covid. I believe that mail-ins were desired by the Democrats and that Covid was used as an excuse to implement them, and also an excuse for the loose procedures put in place to ensure their integrity. There were always good election integrity (and democratic) reasons to require in person voting. Those reasons continue to apply.

The facts you cite in support of audits are red herrings, since none of those facts were the basis for requesting audits. The bases for requesting audits are the myriad allegations set out in the entire panoply of lawsuits filed. Whether those allegations met the standards of the courts is irrelevant to whether the states concerned should have fully investigated and reported their results. You are seeing the results of choosing not to do so.

Carl Sagan was talking about conclusions, not the basis for investigations. Every inquiry starts from small pieces of information, and grows from there.

You are right that the inquiry into this issue was open and shut. They just left out the investigation part that's supposed to come between those two phases of an inquiry.

 

[silentkisser]

For every season, spin, spin, spin.... On every subject, spin, spin, spin... To this very day , all you need is to look at the Democrat run cities and that's all you need to know about the Democrat "about face" on the race relations- murder, poverty and mayhem.

LOL. I drop science on you and you bring out unsubstantiated bullshit. Here's a shocker that we all know: The Party of Lincoln actively worked against civil rights in the 50s and 60s. They are the party that seems to be filled with racists and white supremacists. They are, incidentally, the party that seems to have the members arrested for grooming or raping children...And, if we really want to get into red state/blue state and racism or, hell, nearly any metric you want, blue states are the superior ones in nearly every measure. Better standard of living, higher level of education, better economies, better health. In fact, without the blue states, the reds would simply vanish because most (not all) are tiny little specs of nothing that only survive due to the tax money blue states send them.

 

[silentkisser]

Two tries, and you're still getting the characterization wrong. In the final result, the courts decided not to interfere with the election.

For a court that is now all about states rights, they sure crushed a state led initiative to count all the votes. So, I think that qualifies as interference. If they did nothing, then you would be right. But, they did step in to overrule a state supreme court. How is that not interference?