Trudeau tables bill to limit handguns, pledges to buy back assault weapons
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I only said city dwellers, farmers and country folks should be allowed to have long guns. I also stated I'd be all for raising the penalty and making gang bangers pay with half of their life or more spent behind bars for carrying or using a gun. I don't see any reason for a person living on Bay or Yonge or Bathurst having to own a handgun.
One less gun one less chance of getting in the wrong hands or perhaps not being used in a fit of rage.
Are you worried a legal gun owner living on Bay or Yonge is going to shoot you? LOL
Why do you even care?
I'm also for stiffer sentences and bail conditions for people who commit crimes with guns. But Trudeau hasn't addressed that. Why, because he's a pussy. He has no balls. He's not tough on crime, he's being tough on legal gun owners.
Ah yes, the old "if it saves just one life" then it's worth doing adage. Do you know how infinitesimally small the likelihood of you or anyone else being killed by a licensed gun owner or by someone possessing a gun stolen from a licensed gun owner. Probably less than winning the lottery and getting struck and killed by lightning on the same clear sunny day.
For the love of God, licensed gun owners are not the problem. Spend the money on going after the real problems first. Like the steady flow of guns coming across the border on the Native reserves. But no, he won't even acknowledge that it's a big part of the problem.
I have no skin in the gun game, none whatsoever. It just seems pointless, misguided or whatever you want to call it, to be going after legal gun owners. When they're not the problem!
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What changed is that Trudeau thinks taking away handguns from law abiding citizens will somehow have an effect on gun crimes across the country. He must have a mental defect if he honestly thinks that's true.
When was the last time shoppers were gunned down in a Sobey's? You already have something very like red flag laws and it seems to work a lot better up there than it does down here...
What don't you understand. Hand guns have no utility in Canadian society other than a past time so there is no significant need for them. Yes, criminals don't care about laws. Either do irresponsible children of gun owners. For that matter, there are plenty of registered gun owners who violate the laws because they either have a paranoia about self defense or simply think they know better. That's why I said the courts and border enforcement need to do their part in addition to bans.
I would never justify banning hunting rifles as there is an actual need for hunting that benefits society.
And yet over 1500 different types of rifles were mislabeled and banned by the liberals. Many of them used to be non restricted as well
Hogwash!
Where are the CANADIAN statistics for these "plentiful" amount "irresponsible children of gun owners" or these gun owners who violate laws?
Nothing more than unsubstantiated claims.
Who is saying that this is the United States?? We have seen similar occurrences regarding mass shootings, although they are much more frequent in the USA. Look at New Zealand as an example. After the mosque shooting by an Australian racist, the Ardern Government took very firm action to take off these guns from the streets. But now the New Zealanders feel a lot more safe than the Americans:
That escort /John nonsense is one of the most ludicrous comparisons. But let us take the cars as an example. There are very strict restrictions in place for an individual to own a car. He has to go through a drivers test after being trained to drive. Then there are Licences that he has to obtain with all his personal data being registered, including his car. An insurance is then required and there are several rules and regulations that one has to follow once it is proven that he has the ability be on the road. But the car is an essential item in comparison to the stupid guns. We can live without guns!!
It is still possible to buy a gun quite easily in Canada. The problem is that if the guns were always used for what they were intended then we would not have the various shootings like those at the Quebec Mosque or the ones purchased by Wortman who killed 22 citizens including police officers in Nova Scotia. The issue is that these guns ultimately end up in the hands of the criminals and gangsters. Bissonette obtained the guns from these Legal Gun Owners. He lied about his Health status. So, the Legal Gun owner on this occasion was the problem!!
Again how are the guns getting into the hands of gangs and criminals in Canada. No doubt some it are being smuggled across the border. But the more recent issue is this:
So let's go by the facts and not political POVs!!
This is 100% true. However, those criminals who don’t care about Trudeau, and get caught carry the handguns anyway… well, the cops now have a tool to deal with them.
And legal gun owners protecting the homes, who store firearms responsibility do not get punished.
Are you sure you want to make the car analogy?
Cars don't require background checks. If you purchase a vehicle from another state, it isn't transferred to a government approved dealership, that then performs the background check. Cars don't have governnors that cap them at posted speed limits and they don't come pre-installed interlock devices or smaller gas tanks to reduce the possibility of an accident, by mandating more frequent refueling.
All your talk about registration and insurance only matters when operating said vehicle on a public road, nevermind that a vehicle registry has never been used to reclassify vehicles and facilitate eventual confiscation.
Don't like guns? Don't own any.
Love how they pin it on today’s mayor in Chicago. I mean, it’s not like Chicago has a long storied history of gun violence. Talk about political stunts.And in Chicago they hold mass shooting parties every single weekend. How this applies to Canada and the Canadian realities, I know not. Of course I'm not you.
46 Shot During Memorial Weekend in Mayor Lori Lightfoot's Chicago
Forty-six people were shot, ten of them fatally, during Memorial Day weekend in Mayor Lori Lightfoot's (D) Chicago.www.breitbart.com
The article (from three years ago) cries wolf about straw purchases but can only cite two examples?
So much for "facts and not political POVs".
As for Wortman, he didn't acquire his firearms legally; they were smuggled into the country (and probably stolen from some of the RCMP he gunned down, but you'll never hear about that in the media).
Of course there are checks to see that you have passed the driver's test to own a car. If you transfer a car from another province then you have to get a new licence for the car within a certain window. There are checks to see that you do not have outstanding fines that have not been paid. There are checks by insurance companies to see that you have not been ticketed with points deducted by the cops. But there are also strict restrictions as to wearing seat belts and not driving intoxicated, but within the speed limits.
How many cars are driving solely on "Private Roads"?? Your vehicle will be impounded if you have been pulled up for driving under influence several times. Then your licence will be suspended.
Besides Law and Order, we all can live without the guns in Canada, but are cars are considered to be essential. PERIOD!!
The last time you privately sold a vehicle, did you ask the prospective buyer for a driver's abstract? Did you follow them to MTO to ensure they registered and plated the vehicle? Did you check to see if they were an alcoholic or had mental health issues? Did you even ask to see their license? I'm going with the safe assumption that you did none of these things, so if the new owner ends up killing someone with that vehicle, should you be responsible for that tragedy?
The "checks" you speak of are largely reactive and unlike gun laws, don't presume guilt.
As for how "essential" cars are, let me impersonate a rabid anti-gunner, so you can hear how idiotic your arguments are:
Why do you need to drive? Leave it to the professionals like taxi or bus drivers. You don't need a vehicle that can exceed the posted speed limit. Drinking and driving is a problem, so we should make it more difficult for responsible drivers to own and operate cars. Close the kijiji loophole. If it only saves one life....
Obviously, you are displaying your ignorance as regards selling or purchasing a used vehicle. Are you okay with selling it to a minor who probably does not even have a Licence? But are you saying that selling your hand gun to someone who has a legal licence to own one, and then he decides to go on a shooting spree will be your responsibility? So the Quebec shooter Bissonnette who obtained the guns legally means that the seller of the guns is now behind bars? ROTFLMAO!!
I need to drive as I have to deliver products to my clients. People who live in rural areas with no public transport within miles from them are supposed to dial the "Professional taxi drivers" every time they need to get even to the stores to shop? Shows how you are living in denial as to comparing the cars to guns. Are Canadians going to lose any sleep if the guns are bought by the Government and they can only rent them when they go to licensed gun ranges? Can you not comprehend that drinking RESPONSIBLY is permitted? That is why there are speed checks and even pullovers at certain check points to ensure that these intoxicated drivers are taken off the road and rightfully so!!
