Trudeau tables bill to limit handguns, pledges to buy back assault weapons

[cunning linguist]

Obviously, you are displaying your ignorance as regards selling or purchasing a used vehicle. Are you okay with selling it to a minor who probably does not even have a Licence? But are you saying that selling your hand gun to someone who has a legal licence to own one, and then he decides to go on a shooting spree will be your responsibility? So the Quebec shooter Bissonnette who obtained the guns legally means that the seller of the guns is now behind bars? ROTFLMAO!!

I need to drive as I have to deliver products to my clients. People who live in rural areas with no public transport within miles from them are supposed to dial the "Professional taxi drivers" every time they need to get even to the stores to shop? Shows how you are living in denial as to comparing the cars to guns. Are Canadians going to lose any sleep if the guns are bought by the Government and they can only rent them when they go to licensed gun ranges? Can you not comprehend that drinking RESPONSIBLY is permitted? That is why there are speed checks and even pullovers at certain check points to ensure that these intoxicated drivers are taken off the road and rightfully so!!

You and others have displayed ignorance with regards on the purchase and use of firearms, but that didn't stop you from making an idiotic car analogy. Can't stand the heat? Stay out of the kitchen.

But you don't need to drive to deliver products; just hire a professional courier to do that for you and keep your potentially dangerous vehicle off the streets. You might claim to be a responsible driver now, but what if you're not?...

So now, you're going to pretend to empathize with rural folks, you know, the ones that more more likely to own guns?

This government has had two years to "buy back" prohibited firearms (for less than fair market value) but keeps dragging its heels, sounds fiscally responsible [/sarcasm]. But again, buying back firearms from responsible owners will do nothing for the proliferation of illegal guns on the streets. To bring it full circle, that's like buying back privately owned vehicles to reduce drunk driving tragedies.

 

[bver_hunter]

You and others have displayed ignorance with regards on the purchase and use of firearms, but that didn't stop you from making an idiotic car analogy. Can't stand the heat? Stay out of the kitchen.

But you don't need to drive to deliver products; just hire a professional courier to do that for you and keep your potentially dangerous vehicle off the streets. You might claim to be a responsible driver now, but what if you're not?...

So now, you're going to pretend to empathize with rural folks, you know, the ones that more more likely to own guns?

This government has had two years to "buy back" prohibited firearms (for less than fair market value) but keeps dragging its heels, sounds fiscally responsible [/sarcasm]. But again, buying back firearms from responsible owners will do nothing for the proliferation of illegal guns on the streets. To bring it full circle, that's like buying back privately owned vehicles to reduce drunk driving tragedies.

You are the most ignorant one to not realize that the stupid guns have no use for a Canadian in this day and age. I already posted a link where these guns are ending up into the hands of the gangs and criminals from these legal gun owners. After all there is always profits to be made in moving these weapons from this legal gun owners to those thugs.

You have the most stupid advice as to how I should be conducting my business. It is good to know that you are not a Consultant of any sort. Cause if you are, then I would not be surprised if your clients did exactly the opposite of what you advised them. ROTFLMAO!!

How many rural folks do you think own guns? The majority have no interest in it. But when around 70% of Canadians want tighter restrictions on these guns, that is what matters and not the silly gun lobby supporters POVS!!

Once again we have the cops having check points where they pull cars over to examine the status of the drivers, and whether they are intoxicated. If they feel that the car is driving suspiciously then they can pull it over. But hidden guns by gangsters are an issue and that is why there are several killings. New Zealand have managed to buy back the guns from all it's citizens. The majority of the citizens feel safer. They rooted out the problem effectively. Less guns will be in the hands of these criminals and gangs if that was enforced here. PERIOD!!

 

[cunning linguist]

You are the most ignorant one to not realize that the stupid guns have no use for a Canadian in this day and age. I already posted a link where these guns are ending up into the hands of the gangs and criminals from these legal gun owners. After all there is always profits to be made in moving these weapons from this legal gun owners to those thugs.

You have the most stupid advice as to how I should be conducting my business. It is good to know that you are not a Consultant of any sort. Cause if you are, then I would not be surprised if your clients did exactly the opposite of what you advised them. ROTFLMAO!!

How many rural folks do you think own guns? The majority have no interest in it. But when around 70% of Canadians want tighter restrictions on these guns, that is what matters and not the silly gun lobby supporters POVS!!

Once again we have the cops having check points where they pull cars over to examine the status of the drivers, and whether they are intoxicated. If they feel that the car is driving suspiciously then they can pull it over. But hidden guns by gangsters are an issue and that is why there are several killings. New Zealand have managed to buy back the guns from all it's citizens. The majority of the citizens feel safer. They rooted out the problem effectively. Less guns will be in the hands of these criminals and gangs if that was enforced here. PERIOD!!

Your article cites two examples of straw purchasers, amongst millions of licensed Canadian gun owners. Try again.

You know which group is even more of a "minority" than licensed gun owners? The professional victims groups that exploit tragedies and push for useless regulations like this one. If drugs can be smuggled into the country, so can guns.

The fewer cars there, the few accidents, PERIOD!

That's your own "logic" reflected in a mirror, for you.

 

[bver_hunter]

Your article cites two examples of straw purchasers, amongst millions of licensed Canadian gun owners. Try again.

You know which group is even more of a "minority" than licensed gun owners? The professional victims groups that exploit tragedies and push for useless regulations like this one. If drugs can be smuggled into the country, so can guns.

The fewer cars there, the few accidents, PERIOD!

That's your own "logic" reflected in a mirror, for you.

1.1 million gun owners in Canada do not make it "Millions"....... okay??

As usual the gun lovers do not give a shit about the victims of these gun crimes that is fully reflected in that mirror from your own statement!!

Cars are once again Essential unlike Guns. We can live without guns, but try taking that cars aways from the millions of car owners and see if you can get away with it!!

Considering the number of cars on the roads, the accidents are not intentional, unlike the crimes committed from guns. Simple logic that you one day may comprehend!!

If fewer cars and fewer accidents then donate your car to "Kidney" or "Kars for Kids"!!

 

[cunning linguist]

1.1 million gun owners in Canada do not make it "Millions"....... okay??

As usual the gun lovers do not give a shit about the victims of these gun crimes that is fully reflected in that mirror from your own statement!!

Cars are once again Essential unlike Guns. We can live without guns, but try taking that cars aways from the millions of car owners and see if you can get away with it!!

Considering the number of cars on the roads, the accidents are not intentional, unlike the crimes committed from guns. Simple logic that you one day may comprehend!!

If fewer cars and fewer accidents then donate your car to "Kidney" or "Kars for Kids"!!

ROTFLMAO!

You must feel salty about me pointing out the two straw purchasers in your three year old, nothingburger article; "facts" didn't help you out on that one and it didn't support your "political POV" like you thought it would. 1.1 million still dwarfs professional victims groups like Polysesouvient that Trudeau panders to.

Why should gun owners feel any responsibility for shootings, when they aren't the ones committing them? Should you feel any responsibility for accidents on the road as an allegedly responsible driver?

Are you regretting your idiotic car analogy yet?

 

[basketcase]

And yet over 1500 different types of rifles were mislabeled and banned by the liberals. Many of them used to be non restricted as well

Point?

 

[basketcase]

Hogwash!

Where are the CANADIAN statistics for these "plentiful" amount "irresponsible children of gun owners" or these gun owners who violate laws?

Nothing more than unsubstantiated claims.

Who said the numbers are significant? Thanks to restrictions we put on gun ownership, mass shootings, especially at targets like schools and supermarkets are very low.

That doesn't change the reality. Many pro-gun voices here have claimed licensed owners are not a threat. Why are you unable to acknowledge that not all gun owners follow the laws completely and often their children can get access to the guns. Hopefully the children have been taught proper respect but all it takes is one bad day and a licensed gun can end up being misused by the owner or be taken by a kid to show off with.

And I see you can't refute my stance that handguns in civilian hands don't create any benefit to society but they do constitute a risk.

 

[basketcase]

Are you sure you want to make the car analogy?
...

Yes, it's a good one.

Like guns, there are restrictions on what can be owned/used.

On the other hand, cars require licences, insured, registered. The privilege can be taken away from people who pose a threat. Of course there are differences like many millions of Canadians need cars in their daily lives. How many civilians need a hand gun?

 

[basketcase]

1.1 million gun owners in Canada do not make it "Millions"....... okay??
...

Owning an average of 12 guns each. Granted that will include collectors of rare guns but...

 

[basketcase]

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Why should gun owners feel any responsibility for shootings, when they aren't the ones committing them? ...

Who said they should feel responsible? They shouldn't be surprised that the government will put restrictions on their hobby guns though.

Now those who advocate loosening of or fighting restrictions should feel some responsibility if their actions allow irresponsible people to get their hands on them.

 

[GameBoy27]

It is still possible to buy a gun quite easily in Canada. The problem is that if the guns were always used for what they were intended then we would not have the various shootings like those at the Quebec Mosque or the ones purchased by Wortman who killed 22 citizens including police officers in Nova Scotia. The issue is that these guns ultimately end up in the hands of the criminals and gangsters. Bissonette obtained the guns from these Legal Gun Owners. He lied about his Health status. So, the Legal Gun owner on this occasion was the problem!!

Since you used Wortman and an example, maybe you should read where he obtained the weapons from. Once you're read the article, please explain to me how a handgun ban or taking away gun from legal gun owners would've prevented the Nova Scotia shooting.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/mass-shooting-guns-houlton-maine-1.6433463

 

[bver_hunter]

Since you used Wortman and an example, maybe you should read where he obtained the weapons from. Once you're read the article, please explain to me how a handgun bun or taking away gun from legal gun owners would've prevented the Nova Scotia shooting.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/mass-shooting-guns-houlton-maine-1.6433463

Again I did not deny that he got his weapons in the USA and had them smuggled to Canada. This was all well documented and that is why there needs to be a more severe clampdown on all firearms crossing into Canada from the USA, be it legal or illegal. However, what we do know is that the ammunition for these weapons were supplied to him in Canada, and there were charges brought against those who did so!! Obviously, their defence was that they did not know what or why was the reason for acquiring these ammunitions:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...munition-charge-restorative-justice-1.6432602

So tell us how these legally obtained ammunitions are not responsible for the killings?

 

[GameBoy27]

Again I did not deny that he got his weapons in the USA and had them smuggled to Canada. This was all well documented and that is why there needs to be a more severe clampdown on all firearms crossing into Canada from the USA, be it legal or illegal. However, what we do know is that the ammunition for these weapons were supplied to him in Canada, and there were charges brought against those who did so!! Obviously, their defence was that they did not know what or why was the reason for acquiring these ammunitions:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...munition-charge-restorative-justice-1.6432602

So tell us how these legally obtained ammunitions are not responsible for the killings?

You're blaming Wortman's killing spree on legally obtained ammo? Seriously? Lack of action on the part of the RCMP should take the lion's share of the blame on this one. Do you honestly believe Wortman wouldn't have been able to carry out the killings if there we no guns or ammunition available anywhere in Canada? It's pure lunacy if you do...

"Lisa Banfield, along with two male relatives, has been charged with providing bullets to her violent, woman-hating, conspiracy-minded massacre-planning common-law husband. Imagine what would have happened to her if she hadn’t done as he asked.

She had been beaten senseless by him so many times, whenever he got drunk and often while locals watched and did nothing. She knew what he was like. She didn’t think she could escape. Indeed, one neighbour moved across the country to escape the man she was sure would kill her one day, and even far away still wasn’t confident of her safety.

Wortman, a denturist and apparent drug dealer, hated all women, from the ones he saw socially, to the woman he worked with and lived with. Banfield was that unfortunate person. The idea that she would be the first to be tormented by criminal charges is pure cruelty. Always punish the woman first.

I don’t know if Canada has ever seen a police force fail as badly as they did that night. The RCMP knew how dangerous Wortman was, always had over the years. They knew he had said he wanted to “kill a cop,” that he was stocking weapons, beating Banfield and terrorizing his neighbours. Many people knew he had replica police cars. Did they think it was a harmless hobby?

On the night of the murders spreading out across the province, the RCMP gave him 13 hours of freedom, bungled their response so badly that it leaves one mystified. Were they scared, disorganized or stupid?"

"As I recall, the locals reported this to the police several times, and they decided not to do anything. Even after he made threats to the neighbours that had reported the abuse. Same filing cabinet all the complaints about him owning illegal firearms went into:

I would suggest that if this had been anyone who holds a valid PAL, the actions taken would have been swift and decisive along with the obligatory media fest held afterward with our guns, ammo and assorted accessories spread out on tables for prime photo opps."

 

[GameBoy27]

New Zealand have managed to buy back the guns from all it's citizens. The majority of the citizens feel safer. They rooted out the problem effectively.

You can still purchase and possess handguns in New Zealand. What they banned was most semi-automatic weapons. Plus, you can't compare New Zealand (which is an island) to Canada's border with the US. Also known as the world's longest international border between two countries.

And before you think New Zealand is leading the way on gun control, read this:

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/new-zealand-is-not-showing-canada-the-way-on-gun-control/

 

[bver_hunter]

You can still purchase and possess handguns in New Zealand. What they banned was most semi-automatic weapons. Plus, you can't compare New Zealand (which is an island) to Canada's border with the US. Also known as the world's longest international border between two countries.

And before you think New Zealand is leading the way on gun control, read this:

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/new-zealand-is-not-showing-canada-the-way-on-gun-control/

Your article is about Round 1 of the Legislations that was initially implemented in April of 2019. It is behind the times as since then and more recently:

Gun reforms — round two

Ardern said at the time that this was only the first tranche of gun reforms; plans for a firearms register and stricter criteria to get a license were also on the agenda. But this second suite of measures did not pass as smoothly.

The new bill was approved more narrowly than the first reforms — it was opposed by the center-right opposition parties — and Labour had to make changes so its governing partners would support it.

Still, this second round of reforms reduced the length of firearm licenses for first-time applicants to five years instead of 10, extended the ban on semi-automatics to include pistol-length guns, and bolstered penalties — fines and jail time — for possession of guns without a license. Other changes included gun-buying restrictions on visitors to New Zealand and tighter criteria for eligibility for gun licenses.

The government also introduced and completed two rounds of its gun buyback project; gun owners turned in more than 60,000 newly banned weapons in exchange for cash. Tens of thousands of gun parts were also bought from the public. The police and government both called the initiative a success; its true effectiveness is difficult to assess because it is not known exactly how many of the banned firearms had been in circulation in New Zealand.

New Zealand’s Christchurch massacre was one of the world’s deadliest mass shootings. Here’s what happened next.

When news broke of shots fired in Christchurch on a Friday afternoon in 2019, a mass killing would not have crossed most reporters’ minds, nor the minds of most New Zealanders. I’d been a journalist for nearly 15 years and had never covered a mass shooting. The last major terrorist attack here...

www.grid.news

 

[bver_hunter]

You're blaming Wortman's killing spree on legally obtained ammo? Seriously? Lack of action on the part of the RCMP should take the lion's share of the blame on this one. Do you honestly believe Wortman wouldn't have been able to carry out the killings if there we no guns or ammunition available anywhere in Canada? It's pure lunacy if you do...

"Lisa Banfield, along with two male relatives, has been charged with providing bullets to her violent, woman-hating, conspiracy-minded massacre-planning common-law husband. Imagine what would have happened to her if she hadn’t done as he asked.

She had been beaten senseless by him so many times, whenever he got drunk and often while locals watched and did nothing. She knew what he was like. She didn’t think she could escape. Indeed, one neighbour moved across the country to escape the man she was sure would kill her one day, and even far away still wasn’t confident of her safety.

Wortman, a denturist and apparent drug dealer, hated all women, from the ones he saw socially, to the woman he worked with and lived with. Banfield was that unfortunate person. The idea that she would be the first to be tormented by criminal charges is pure cruelty. Always punish the woman first.

I don’t know if Canada has ever seen a police force fail as badly as they did that night. The RCMP knew how dangerous Wortman was, always had over the years. They knew he had said he wanted to “kill a cop,” that he was stocking weapons, beating Banfield and terrorizing his neighbours. Many people knew he had replica police cars. Did they think it was a harmless hobby?

On the night of the murders spreading out across the province, the RCMP gave him 13 hours of freedom, bungled their response so badly that it leaves one mystified. Were they scared, disorganized or stupid?"

"As I recall, the locals reported this to the police several times, and they decided not to do anything. Even after he made threats to the neighbours that had reported the abuse. Same filing cabinet all the complaints about him owning illegal firearms went into:

I would suggest that if this had been anyone who holds a valid PAL, the actions taken would have been swift and decisive along with the obligatory media fest held afterward with our guns, ammo and assorted accessories spread out on tables for prime photo opps."

Tell us how he would have carried out the killings on the scale that he did if there were no weapons or ammunition available in Canada and there were far stricter border control measures to prevent the flow of these weapons from the USA? One would be delusional to even think that Wortman would have been able to go on a killing spree without the military style guns and ammunition that he obtained. In European nations killers are known to use knives when they go on a killing spree, but the scale of deaths and injuries is far lower than would have been possible with guns. RCMP has to take the partial blame for their delayed tactics with dealing with this killer. Yes less lives might have been lost if they were far more concise. However, when even the police wanted these military style weapons that Wortman used, to be taken out of the possession of all Canadians then what is your problem with it?

Relatively strict laws help keep firearms violence well below US levels but advocates say ‘there’s much more we could be doing’

Is the US’s gun problem becoming Canada’s gun problem?

Relatively strict laws help keep firearms violence well below US levels but advocates say ‘there’s much more we could be doing’

www.theguardian.com

 

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[GameBoy27]

Tell us how he would have carried out the killings on the scale that he did if there were no weapons or ammunition available in Canada and there were far stricter border control measures to prevent the flow of these weapons from the USA?

He obtained the guns from the US and smuggled them across the border. Do you actually believe that they'll be able to tighten up border security to the point of catching every weapon being smuggled in? What do you think they're going to do, inspect every car, truck and plane that enters? As far as ammo goes, that stuff is easily concealed. Where there's a will, there's a way. Just look at the amount of drugs that are smuggled into the country on an annual basis. Criminals are very crafty. As long as there's a market for illegal weapons, they'll find a way to get them. The only downside (for the criminals) is the price may go up. Currently, a gun that sells for $200 at a gun show in Florida can sell for $5,000 on the streets of Toronto.

In 2020, approximately 85 per cent of all handguns seized by Toronto police were tracked back to the U.S. If you think taking away guns from legal gun owners will make things safer, you're simply wrong. If someone as crazy as Wortman wants to go on a killing spree, there's no stopping them. Certainly not by going after legal gun owners. Don't forget, it doesn't take much to drive a car or a truck into a crowd of people.

One big problem is the amount of guns smuggled through the Akwesasne Mohawk reserve. But no politician (certainly not Trudeau) wants to point the finger at them. That of course would be politically incorrect. The result is a steady stream of weapons coming from the US.

But hey, let's take them away from the legal gun owners. That'll solve gun crimes in Canada. Because we all know it's the people who hold a PAL who are the ones shooting up the town. LOL

 

[mandrill]

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[mandrill]

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