Freedom Convoy organizer, member of separatist Maverick Party, has GoFundMe frozen until documention provided stating how funds will be spent

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Frankfooter

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The majority needs to understand a simple thing: it is their job, as a majority, to defend the rights of the minority. It is our (white people) job to defend the rights of Indians (no matter how we call them). It is our (vaxxed people) job to defend the right of people who decided not to get vaccinated to have the same freedoms, ability to work, and to move around as all of us. Doing otherwise is discrimination. Similar to racial or gender discriminations (although some people can say that race cannot be chosen) and very similar to religious discriminations (face can definitely be chosen). So, yes, this protest is not about truckers, it is, indeed, about the FREEDOM of all of us. And I am sure many vaccinated people who wish that everyone get vaccinated still support others choice not to get vaxed. It is only a small minority of "warrior vaccinators" who actually disapprove this protest
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But we have.
You have the right to refuse the jab and live your life.
But like people who want to smoke and put others at risk, you just have to do it at home.
 
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fall

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toguy5252 said:
You have no clue about the science behind the vaccines etc or the Charter. By the way what section of the Charter to you think makes mandate illegal. And while you are at it do you think the following also offends the Charter:


Unless they have a valid exemption, children who attend primary or secondary school must be immunized against:

  • diphtheria
  • tetanus
  • polio
  • measles
  • mumps
  • rubella
  • meningitis (meningococcal disease)
  • whooping cough (pertussis)
  • chickenpox (varicella) – required for children born in 2010 or later
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And in Ontario a "valid exception" is "personal beliefs". It does not even have to be "religious beliefs". You just need to go fill the form and do not have to vaccinate your children if you do not want to.
 
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whitehill_21 said:
I mean s.1 of the Charter (appears like americans don't have such a thing in the Bill of Rights)

when one looking at the dynamics, the tendency unfortunately not going into positive territory but rather in opposite
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All I can say is that I see your point but I can't agree that the Charter is or will be eroded over this. Time will tell.
 
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versitile1 said:
Meanwhile, the 85% of truckers who are vaccinated are crossing the border, delivering and returning with, the goods we use everyday. The real heroes.
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And why you automatically assume that none of vaccinated truckers are part of this protest? I am sure, there are lots of decent and honest truckers who are vaccinated and yet support this protest (and even participate in it) because the protest is not against vaccination, it is against FORCED vaccination (and do not say people are not getting forced to take the vaccine - they are forced not at gunpoint but by economic and freedom restrictions imposed on them otherwise)
 
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poker said:
To “politicians”? Or “Liberal Politicians”?

I don’t see anybody protesting at Queens Park this weekend.
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I think, to all politicians. It is just national protest has more power then provincial one and shows unity of people in the entire country, not just in Ontario.
 
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versitile1 said:
That temporary measure will pass. So, if one stays unvaccinated, or alive long enough, they will be free to travel once again. When that is, that's anyone's guess. By real tyranny, I meant North Korea or Syria or actual dictatorships where the people are truly oppressed.
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I am not sure that "temporary measure will pass". Airport security was introduced after 9/11, there were no treats for many years, still we cannot take water inside airport or meet our family at the gate. Governments like to impose restrictions, not to get rid of them.
 
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fall said:
The majority needs to understand a simple thing: it is their job, as a majority, to defend the rights of the minority. It is our (white people) job to defend the rights of Indians (no matter how we call them). It is our (vaxxed people) job to defend the right of people who decided not to get vaccinated to have the same freedoms, ability to work, and to move around as all of us. Doing otherwise is discrimination. Similar to racial or gender discriminations (although some people can say that race cannot be chosen) and very similar to religious discriminations (face can definitely be chosen). So, yes, this protest is not about truckers, it is, indeed, about the FREEDOM of all of us. And I am sure many vaccinated people who wish that everyone get vaccinated still support others choice not to get vaxed. It is only a small minority of "warrior vaccinators" who actually disapprove this protest
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should we all as a majority defend drink drivers since driving drunk is a way to feel free and restrictions on it restrict individual freedom?
 
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Frankfooter said:
Yup, you can get fired from your job for smoking on the job.
You can get booted from a plane for smoking on it.
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not only booted but charged under Aeronautics act which is a federal charge
 
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whitehill_21 said:
first mRNA vaccine trial was in 2013 ...what year was mRNA vaccine against Covid-19 developed and tested ? and for how long ?
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Not sure but I assume sometime in 2020. Again so what. is there some magic that occurs after more years of testing, Is there anything at all so suggest that it is not safe, keeping in mind that no vaccine is 100% safe or 100 % effective. Is there any evidence that the testing process or date was flawed or unreliable? Simply asking questions is not evidence..
 
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whitehill_21 said:
the relevance is that in 2013 it was just a first proof of concept deployment on human. C19 mRNA ones were developed and tested within very short period of time
vs. the older vaccination technologies that are many decades on the market. Yes, it was administered in millions as you say, that's the concerning part as there are
many groups of populations that it had almost no testing at all or very limited one.
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The testing was widespread across most demographics. How could testing millions of people be concerning. You are just getting sillier.
 
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toguy5252 said:
Not sure but I assume sometime in 2020. Again so what. is there some magic that occurs after more years of testing, Is there anything at all so suggest that it is not safe, keeping in mind that no vaccine is 100% safe or 100 % effective. Is there any evidence that the testing process or date was flawed or unreliable? Simply asking questions is not evidence..
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Dr. McCulloch explains about vaccine security profiles very well, that if it goes beyond specific threshold a project gets put on hold or shut down completely. So, the security profile for mRNA treatments agains C19 is well beyond acceptable one but still got a green light. The injuries list you can get from CDC official db VAERS
 
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Leimonis said:
should we all as a majority defend drink drivers since driving drunk is a way to feel free and restrictions on it restrict individual freedom?
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Still trying to convince people with a false narrative. In case you didn't know. Driving is not a right but a privilege so legally you can have your license taken away if you break the law by driving drunk or recklessly because it puts the public at risk. Covid doesn't It's not illegal to be sick
 
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toguy5252 said:
The testing was widespread across most demographics. How could testing millions of people be concerning. You are just getting sillier.
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There are NO long term testing for C19 vaccines. Technology used first time in 2013 but testing long term for C19 simply doesn't exists as
it started to get deployed within 10 months since conception
 
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