Some masks better than others

Phil C. McNasty

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Kinda what I've been saying for the past year now



Masks are unlikely to halt the spread of the omicron variant, an Oxford professor warned as face coverings were reintroduced on public transport and in shops.

From Tuesday, shoppers and travellers in England face fines of £200 for refusing to wear a mask, with the penalties doubling for each offence to a maximum of £6,400.

However, Jim Naismith, director of the Rosalind Franklin Institute and professor of structural biology at the University of Oxford, said mask mandates had done little to prevent the spread of the delta variant in Scotland and were unlikely to stop omicron.
Scotland kept its mask rules after lifting restrictions in the summer, with coverings mandatory in shops and public transport as well as in schools and when not seated pubs and restaurants.

Despite the rules, the country saw a surge of Covid infections in the autumn, similar to rises seen in England.

Prof Naismith said: "The Office for National Statistics survey results on prevalence shows that the Scottish and English approach to masking, although formally different since July, has made no meaningful difference to delta.

"In both countries, very high levels of prevalence have continued for months. Thus the new changes announced are unlikely to have much of an impact if omicron does indeed spread rapidly."

Experts remain divided on how much impact face masks have in preventing the spread of Covid. Some believe they are only useful when social distancing cannot be maintained, while others think they prevent the picking up of virus particles in the air even when people are not close.

Robert Dingwall, a professor of sociology at Nottingham Trent University and a former government Covid adviser, said: "We can certainly say with confidence that all the extra restrictions in those nations do not seem to be having much effect, given that the trajectory of infections does not differ markedly from that in England.

"However, we cannot then go on to single out one element and draw conclusions about that. Mask mandates are only one part of the package, and the comparisons often lack details about enforcement and compliance.

"I hear, for example, that Aberdeen is much more relaxed than either Glasgow or Edinburgh – and I suspect that once you get into smaller towns there is very little going on.

"In my view, the only thing that really has an impact on transmission is working from home and reducing social contacts altogether, but the Government is desperate not to stall the back to the office
 

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Kinda what I've been saying for the past year now
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Yes your op/ed is correct, masks alone aren't able to stop the spread of a contagious virus. No one said it does Doesn't change the fact that any mask reduces the velocity and spread of any viral particles that make it through or around a mask.

All masks recue the spread somewhat and no mask (not even your much touted N95 that isn't professionally fitted to you) stops the virus 100%. It's amazing that you keep claiming that masks shown to be 90% effective at filtering particles is useless but ones that filter 95% are the only ones that work.

But at least you're not telling us we don't know the long term impact of mask use. :rolleyes:
 

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Yes your op/ed is correct, masks alone aren't able to stop the spread of a contagious virus. No one said it does Doesn't change the fact that any mask reduces the velocity and spread of any viral particles that make it through or around a mask
No, they don't
 

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And now, after almost 2 years into the pandemic, the head of Ontario's science table (whatever that is) finally confirms what I've been saying all along. Most masks people are currently wearing dont do shit


If you're still wearing a single layer cloth mask 'ditch it,' head of Ontario's science table says

If you are using a single-layer cloth mask to protect yourself from a new COVID-19 variant that is believed to be more than six times as infectious as Delta “ditch it, full stop.”

At least that is the message from the scientific director of Ontario’s Science Advisory Table, who tells CP24 that there is likely a need for higher grade masks amid the threat posed by Omicron, particularly for frontline workers.

“One thing which is really important to realize is if you have a single layer cloth mask ditch it, full stop,” Dr. Peter Jüni said. “The minimum would be a double layered cloth mask that has been washed before so that it is denser and filters better and really fits well. Even better than that a medical mask below and the cloth mask on top and then it depends on your (exposure). If you are a bus driver for example it makes sense even to think about better protections.”

For much of the pandemic, government officials have resisted acknowledging that COVID-19 is transmitted via aerosol spread insisting that it was spread by droplets. But on Wednesday Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. Kieran Moore told reporters that he is concerned that there could be “much more aerosol spread” with Omicron compared to previous strains of the virus.

Public Health Ontario also issued an advisory on Wednesday recommending that all healthcare workers treating suspected COVID-19 patients should wear respirator masks, which is a higher grade of mask than they were previously provided with in most circumstances.

The advisory says that the evidence did not support a significant protective effect of N95 respirator use over medical masks when caring for patients with suspected COVID-19 infections prior to the emergence of Omicron.

But it said that it is “unclear at this time if there is a change in the infectiousness of aerosols as a possible explanation for the increase in transmissibility” associated with the new variant, underscoring the need for caution until more is known.

The order does not impact health-care workers who are not believed to be coming into contact with COVID-19 patients, despite concerns previously raised by the Ontario Nurses' Association in a court challenge in which they pushed for access to N95 masks.

Speaking with CP24 on Thursday, Jüni said that COVID is an “airborne disease” that is “transmitted through the airborne route” and we “need to acknowledge that in our protection.”


 

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And now, after almost 2 years into the pandemic, the head of Ontario's science table (whatever that is) finally confirms what I've been saying all along. Most masks people are currently wearing dont do shit


If you're still wearing a single layer cloth mask 'ditch it,' head of Ontario's science table says

If you are using a single-layer cloth mask to protect yourself from a new COVID-19 variant that is believed to be more than six times as infectious as Delta “ditch it, full stop.”

At least that is the message from the scientific director of Ontario’s Science Advisory Table, who tells CP24 that there is likely a need for higher grade masks amid the threat posed by Omicron, particularly for frontline workers.

“One thing which is really important to realize is if you have a single layer cloth mask ditch it, full stop,” Dr. Peter Jüni said. “The minimum would be a double layered cloth mask that has been washed before so that it is denser and filters better and really fits well. Even better than that a medical mask below and the cloth mask on top and then it depends on your (exposure). If you are a bus driver for example it makes sense even to think about better protections.”

For much of the pandemic, government officials have resisted acknowledging that COVID-19 is transmitted via aerosol spread insisting that it was spread by droplets. But on Wednesday Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. Kieran Moore told reporters that he is concerned that there could be “much more aerosol spread” with Omicron compared to previous strains of the virus.

Public Health Ontario also issued an advisory on Wednesday recommending that all healthcare workers treating suspected COVID-19 patients should wear respirator masks, which is a higher grade of mask than they were previously provided with in most circumstances.

The advisory says that the evidence did not support a significant protective effect of N95 respirator use over medical masks when caring for patients with suspected COVID-19 infections prior to the emergence of Omicron.

But it said that it is “unclear at this time if there is a change in the infectiousness of aerosols as a possible explanation for the increase in transmissibility” associated with the new variant, underscoring the need for caution until more is known.

The order does not impact health-care workers who are not believed to be coming into contact with COVID-19 patients, despite concerns previously raised by the Ontario Nurses' Association in a court challenge in which they pushed for access to N95 masks.

Speaking with CP24 on Thursday, Jüni said that COVID is an “airborne disease” that is “transmitted through the airborne route” and we “need to acknowledge that in our protection.”


Most of us common sense folks only use 3 ply masks that fit snuggly around the face. I do agree simple cloth masks are useless. The same goes for dudes wearing a bandana around their mug because it's not cool wearing a mask.
 

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Most of us common sense folks only use 3 ply masks that fit snuggly around the face. I do agree simple cloth masks are useless. The same goes for dudes wearing a bandana around their mug because it's not cool wearing a mask.
Again, "useless" is incorrect. Not as useful is an accurate statement which I doubt anyone has disagreed with since the beginning but even 30% effectiveness of a shitty bandanna is better than what the anti-maskers are doing.
 
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Again, "useless" is incorrect. Not as useful is an accurate statement which I doubt anyone has disagreed with since the beginning but even 30% effectiveness of a shitty bandanna is better than what the anti-maskers are doing.
Nope. The virus is airborne. Air will go right through a cloth or surgical mask.
And its nice to see that the slowpokes at CNN finally agree with me

 

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Masks were interesting.

On the far right you had immature people refusing to wear then.

On the far left who had people outraged at people who didn’t wear them. ( and wore them like a gas mask)

In the middle you had normal people who wore them just to get into to places and keep the peace.
 
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Nope. The virus is airborne. Air will go right through a cloth or surgical mask.
And its nice to see that the slowpokes at CNN finally agree with me

DId you pull the surgical mask out of your ass? 😷 She only mentioned cloth masks which anyone with half a cell in their brain would know cloth masks don't cut it or a mask around the face full of gaps, or any mask worn under the nose and used as a chin strap.
 

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DId you pull the surgical mask out of your ass? 😷 She only mentioned cloth masks which anyone with half a cell in their brain would know cloth masks don't cut it or a mask around the face full of gaps, or any mask worn under the nose and used as a chin strap
Surgical masks are just as bad, which is kinda the point of this thread
 
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Nope. The virus is airborne. Air will go right through a cloth or surgical mask.
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But I hear tinfoil stops them.

Sorry but as I've said from the beginning of this thread, all masks have some impact but some are better than others.

As for airborne, do we need to go back to the aerosol vs. pore diameter thing again?
 
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Masks were interesting.

On the far right you had immature people refusing to wear then.

On the far left who had people outraged at people who didn’t wear them. ( and wore them like a gas mask)

In the middle you had normal people who wore them just to get into to places and keep the peace.
You can choose whether to wear a mask or not but if you're breathing the same air as me in a place they are mandated, I'm going to say something.
 
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You can choose whether to wear a mask or not but if you're breathing the same air as me in a place they are mandated, I'm going to say something.
ok. So you’re way toooo far left.

I spent 2 years wearing a cloth mask which has just been proven as a waste of time. Would you say something about the kind of mask I’m wearing. I’d love to see that.

Btw. I’m in the middle. Keeping the peace.
 

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But I hear tinfoil stops them.

Sorry but as I've said from the beginning of this thread, all masks have some impact but some are better than others.

As for airborne, do we need to go back to the aerosol vs. pore diameter thing again?
Cloth and surgical masks stop air as well as a mask would stop car exhaust if you put the mask around a muffler.

Physics 101
 
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ok. So you’re way toooo far left.

I spent 2 years wearing a cloth mask which has just been proven as a waste of time. Would you say something about the kind of mask I’m wearing. I’d love to see that.

Btw. I’m in the middle. Keeping the peace.
Definitely not a waste of time as you did the right thing.
It is just now with the omicron strain that made the cloth masks obsolete.

It's how viruses work. You protect yourself from it, they mutate to different strain etc. so you need to upgrade your protection to match them.

TLDR, the virus upgraded itself, now we need to upgrade ourselves for better protection.
 
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