The global energy crisis - Green fairy tales collide with reality

JohnLarue

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The fallacy of your argument is that you think the choice is between 100%of one or the other. The goal of substantially replacing carbon fuels with renewables is realistic and necessary and inevitable. the only issue is timing and the difference in opinion ion is really not about if it will happen but rather how quickly.

The goal of substantially replacing carbon fuels with renewables is NOT AT ALL realistic

Not even close
 

JohnLarue

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It does scare the the shit out of any rational thinking person.
Rational people should recognize RCP8.5 is an impossible scenario and thus wonder why it is intentionally and deliberately used to scare the living shit out of children
 

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The goal of substantially replacing carbon fuels with renewables is NOT AT ALL realistic

Not even close
Hmm, listen to the World Bank or larue about whether its possible or not.
Hmmm.


 

danmand

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Hmm, listen to the World Bank or larue about whether its possible or not.
Hmmm.
Or even realizing that some countries are well on their way.
 

Moviefan-2

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Rational people should recognize RCP8.5 is an impossible scenario and thus wonder why it is intentionally and deliberately used to scare the living shit out of children
Indeed, the misleading "business as usual" spin went on for six years in reports and news stories with no sign that the so-called "experts" at the UN made any real effort (if any) to correct the record.

While I don't share Zeke Hausfather's panic about the future, at least he did say something.

 

JohnLarue

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Indeed, the misleading "business as usual" spin went on for six years in reports and news stories with no sign that the so-called "experts" at the UN made any real effort (if any) to correct the record.
The reason?
The IPCC is a political (and corrupt) organization rather than a scientific organization
 
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Let us for arguments sake consider your example of a farmer in remote part of Bangladesh who uses buffalos for power and dung cakes for fuel.

Likely the will replace the buffalos with a Chinese single engine diesel tractor. But I think his electricity needs are more likely to be filled from localized solar energy generation than from a centralized distribution network.
Who in his right mind will believe for farmers in a 3rd world
country a tiny fraction of the size of Canada with a population
more than 4 times greater, conversion to renewable is no less
economical than for the urban population whom the farmers have to
feed from a 'remote' region? It will cost me an arm and a leg to install
and maintain solar panels and batteries in my residence.

But let's say renewable energy is affordable to farmers in Bangladesh
the more important and urgent thing to do would be conversion of all
the scooters there along with India and Pakistan to electric vehicles. To
ensure their fleet of electric scooters are going to be powered by
green power source they will have to phase out all the coal -fired
power plants on a time horizon like 30 years and replace them with
nuclear and renewable power sources. I don't think many world leaders
other than Trudeau will be as willing to finance energy transition on
such massive scale.
 

Moviefan-2

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Yes, for six years oil industry lobbyists used RCP 8.5 to try to make scientists look unreasonable.
While some are still at it.....
Really?

Who would have guessed that two leading Democrats - Tom Steyer and Michael Bloomberg -- are "oil industry lobbyists" who "try to make scientists look unreasonable."


😀
 

Frankfooter

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Really?

Who would have guessed that two leading Democrats - Tom Steyer and Michael Bloomberg -- are "oil industry lobbyists" who "try to make scientists look unreasonable."


😀
At least you're quoting from better sources now, I assume that means you agree with this from the article:

Before proceeding, let’s make a few things absolutely clear. There is no doubt that climate change is real, and is significantly influenced by our activities, particularly through the emissions of carbon dioxide. I have long advocated for aggressive action on carbon dioxide emissions as well as to improve adaptation to climate variability and change. At the same time, I have also long argued that maintaining scientific integrity should go hand-in-hand with effective climate action.
 

danmand

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But let's say renewable energy is affordable to farmers in Bangladesh
That is what you wanted to argue about.

Obviously, it is completely unimportant what you and I think. Why don't we agree to disagree and watch the future unfold in front of our eyes.
 

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Moviefan-2

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At least you're quoting from better sources now, I assume that means you agree with this from the article.
Trying to pivot from the fact your assertion in post #167 about the "oil industry lobbyists" was 100% wrong.

It was progressives who were pushing the preposterous projections. Proving once again just how much you love to post comments about things you know nothing about.
 
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danmand

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This isn't good.

The energy crunch has reached the point where Bloomberg News says Europe may be facing rolling blackouts as a deep freeze sets in.


I bet this will be popular.
Caused by the unreliability of Nuclear Power.

Sorry, I forgot, here on Terb it is only wind and solar that is unreliable.
 
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Dec 20, 2021
Europe's energy crisis worsened Monday as the Northern Hemisphere winter is about to begin. Colder weather plagued parts of Europe with zero degrees Celsius, straining electricity grids already dealing with unreliable green energy sources (such as low wind power generation) and nuclear power plant outages in France.

Let's begin and take a look at soaring day-ahead electricity prices across Europe. Bloomberg's Chief Energy Correspondent Javier Blas pointed out, "electricity prices across much of Europe set fresh and frightening record highs."

Blas pointed out that German day-ahead electricity prices are at 431 euros per megawatt-hour, a record high.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/commoditi...es-set-hit-record-high-monday-amid-cold-spell
 

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Europe's energy crisis worsened Monday as the Northern Hemisphere winter is about to begin. Colder weather plagued parts of Europe with zero degrees Celsius, straining electricity grids already dealing with unreliable green energy sources (such as low wind power generation) and nuclear power plant outages in France.

Let's begin and take a look at soaring day-ahead electricity prices across Europe. Bloomberg's Chief Energy Correspondent Javier Blas pointed out, "electricity prices across much of Europe set fresh and frightening record highs."

Blas pointed out that German day-ahead electricity prices are at 431 euros per megawatt-hour, a record high.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/commoditi...es-set-hit-record-high-monday-amid-cold-spell
Good. Completely self inflicted.
 

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