The global energy crisis - Green fairy tales collide with reality

[Frankfooter]

Let me try a last time: It is not math, it is physics.

The only real measure of temperature is the absolute temperature, or the temperature in degrees Kelvin.

You can get any percentage increase you want by selecting an arbitrary null for your temperature and your calculation.

If you select -17C as zero, you get one number, if you select 0C you get another number, if you select 16C you get another number.

The only number meaningful in a physics sense as a basis for the calculations is degrees Kelvin.

Its not just physics, really.
There is an argument that you could pin change from either above absolute zero or from the planet's temperature from the last 10,000 or so years.
I don't think climatologists ever use the Kevlin measurement in discussions, they usually use the temperature above zero, which is why I used it.
So maybe its two views from different scientific approaches, physics and climatology.

Either way, saying {1-5}/288 or {1-5}/16 = 400% is just bad math.
Really, moviefan should have done (5.4-1.1)/288 or /16 if he wanted a single number as percentage range, which would have given him a range of 01.5% or 26.8% as range based off the pre-industrial temperature of the planet

Instead he just looked at the difference between the two approximated warming temperatures, as in 5 is 4 more than 1 therefore its a 400% increase.
Shoddy thinking.

What is entertaining is that moviefan made a basic error and refuses to acknowledge that error. Instead he's just doubling down on it and lobbing insults.

 

[Frankfooter]

Frankfooter: I told you on Dec. 24 that I stand by my numbers as I posted them on Dec. 24.

You don't need to keep posing questions as my position hasn't changed. I still stand by my numbers.

You're the one who challenged my math. The onus is on you to tell us what you think the correct answer is.

Stop being such a total coward and tell us your answer.

(And you can lose the tone. It doesn't help your case that you appear to be oblivious to how stupid you look.)

Tone, careful of your own tone, moviefan.

I've given you thoughtful replies, helpful hints and full answers with 3 different way to come up with reasonable answers now.
None of them get you to 400%.

The earth's base temperature is either about 16ºC or 288º Kelvin, if you add 1.1º - 5.4º more to that temperature is it increasing the temperature in a range of:
a) 400%
b) 0.7% -1.9%
c) 6.85% - 33.75%
d) 1.5%
e) 26.8%

Its been entertaining trying to see if I can break through your science denier mantra, but its clear that you can never admit you are wrong.
Unlike me, I fully admit I posted the wrong number a couple of times and the discussion with danmand has been interesting and informative.
But I can't have an actual discussion with you since you there is no proof you would accept and you would never even accept you made a basic math error.

 

[Moviefan-2]

The earth's base temperature is either about 16ºC or 288º Kelvin, if you add 1.1º - 5.4º more to that temperature is it increasing the temperature in a range of:
a) 400%
b) 0.7% -1.9%
c) 6.85% - 33.75%
d) 1.5%
e) 26.8%

Two observations.

1) This confirms Frankfooter is functionally illiterate, as no one ever said anything about the percentage for "increasing the temperature." The percentage calculation in dispute is the difference between the low point and the high point in the 2100 projection numbers.

In simple terms, it's the percentage difference between the low point (approx. 1C) and the high point (approx. 5C). I was the one who initially provided the calculation and I get the final say on what was being calculated.

I stand by my post that the percentage difference between 1 and 5 is 400 percentage points. Frankfooter said that was wrong but has refused to tell us his calculation.

2) The whole "base temperature" thing.

This is f'n hilarious. After countless years of posting extra-large NASA graphs of temperature anomalies, Franky has suddenly latched on to danmand's point about base temperatures in a blatantly desperate attempt to derail the discussion.

Apparently, everything Frankfooter has posted for years about temperature anomalies is now deemed worthless.

Since the anomaly graphs are his only source of data, that same conclusion must now be applied to pretty much everything he has ever posted on climate change.

 

[Moviefan-2]

And, of course, it will be noted that after three days of repeated questioning, Frankfooter couldn't calculate the percentage difference between the numbers 1 and 5.

This is despite the fact he was provided with an online source to do the calculation for him.

Percentage Increase Calculator

Percentage increase calculator finds the increase from one value to another as a percentage of the first value. Shows you how to find percentage increase with percent increase formula.

www.calculatorsoup.com

As I said yesterday, he is both illiterate and innumerate.

(I feel I may be forced to update Frankfooter's greatest hits on global warming: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ians-pockets&p=6227326&viewfull=1#post6227326,)

 

[Frankfooter]

And, of course, it will be noted that after three days of repeated questioning, Frankfooter couldn't calculate the percentage difference between the numbers 1 and 5.

This is despite the fact he was provided with an online source to do the calculation for him.

Percentage Increase Calculator

Percentage increase calculator finds the increase from one value to another as a percentage of the first value. Shows you how to find percentage increase with percent increase formula.

www.calculatorsoup.com

As I said yesterday, he is both illiterate and innumerate.

I already congratulated on your ever improving math skills, moviefan.
The fact that you were able to figure out both that 5 -1 = 4 and that 4 x 1 is a 400% increase shows great improvement.
But adding 1-5ºC warming to a planet that is 16ºC already isn't a 'range of 400%' increase.

Why won't you admit you made a really basic error and calculated the wrong thing?

The earth's base temperature is either about 16ºC or 288º Kelvin, if you add 1.1º - 5.4º more to that temperature is it increasing the temperature in a range of:
a) 400%
b) 0.7% -1.9%
c) 6.85% - 33.75%
d) 1.5%
e) 26.8%

That's the question, not how much more than 1 is 5.

Hey, have you checked out the NASA Webb page?

Where Is Webb? NASA/Webb

During Webb's launch, deployment and commissioning, 'WhereIsWebb' tracked Webb's 'flight' to L2 orbit, its state and progress during its deployment and commissioning process, and finally the release of its first images. This process is now complete. During this process, the page constantly...

jwst.nasa.gov

For a bunch of guys that science deniers think aren't smart or are in some vast conspiracy with every other scientist on the planet, its pretty outstanding.
I'm willing to admit there a people there much smarter than me, but would you?
I'd expect not.

Because then you'd have to admit the possibility that they could know more about climate change and the climate than you.