Blue Jays 2021

[shack]

He is a deadline acquisition, but he is signed through to the end of 2022, which is why the price was higher. Martin was expendable because our outfield is still overloaded and we have Bichette at SS.

This guy was the Twins ace and had a winning record with a lousy team. Berrios is the 2nd ranked available pitcher after Scherzer.

If (If) they make the playoffs, they can trot out Ryu, Ray and Berrios to cover at least 6 games in a 7 game series. It sounds respectable to me. And for the stretch run, throw in Manoah as a 4th and Maybe Stripling as the 5th. I don't trust Matz.

So now they have picked up a proven closer and very good starter. The offense doesn't need help. Credit to management for making a serious go at it. It should help them sell some tickets as well.

Anybody who thinks that the Jays will be firing Montoyo anytime soon (before the end of '22) needs to think again.

 

[shack]

Pains me to see Austin Martin go though. He has all the tools to be a bona fide super star in this league. Short stops and centre fielders of his ability don't come around very often. But I guess you have to give something to receive something.

Agree that he has the potential to be a superstar. They already have the proven Springer and Bichette who has shown that he already is a very, very good SS and still has lots of upside. They are known entities at the big league level.

Regardless, it sounds like this trade is pretty much universally accepted as a good trade.

Does anybody think that it is an out and out BAD trade? Speak out now instead of being a Captain Hindsight later on.

 

[onomatopoeia]

They gave way two top prospects, this Berrios pitcher better be good. If you trade Marcus Semien, the chances of him returning are less than zero and you're not going to get a top level manager in the middle of the season.

Brad Hand eh, Reese McGuire must be happy...running and ducking incoming eggs.

Jose Berrios career stats at baseball-reference.com

His ERA is good enough to win with the Jays' offense, he keeps hit balls on the ground at a high percentage, and he's physically durable. An innings eater was what the Jays pitching staff needed most, given their deficiencies in middle relief. If the Jays can start winning games against the Rays, they have a legitimate chance at making the ALDS, if not beyond that. They now have enough starting pitching to be competitive in the post season, if Ryu doesn't break down.

 

[Zoot Allures]

berrios is under contract for next year so they had to give up something real and martin was it

they would need to get another pitcher during off season otherwise so the rest of the season will tell then if they are good for next year as ray is FA

as is sits Ray is number one in my mind then ryu then Berrios or manoah who needs to return to the form he was at before sidelined with covid and that would be a solid rotation


they kept pearson but i was wondering if trading pearson would be a good idea as he seems very injury prone

they also could have been sellers and given up two stars in ray and semien as they are FA

I wonder if last nights blow out helped make their decision

lost in the blowout was a great start by ryu

my fear is relief will not get us far in playoffs unless pearson or merryweather can join the stAFF AND PERFORM TO THEIR POTENTIAL

because in playoffs you use relievers more as you pull starters and relievers a lot quicker so this is where manoah may come in if he gets back into form he had before covid as they may decide to make him reliever if needed

third base is a key position and an issue defensively

Montoyo will be under pressure to mAKE SOME tough CALLS

 

[The Oracle]

Agree that he has the potential to be a superstar. They already have the proven Springer and Bichette who has shown that he already is a very, very good SS and still has lots of upside. They are known entities at the big league level.

Regardless, it sounds like this trade is pretty much universally accepted as a good trade.

Does anybody think that it is an out and out BAD trade? Speak out now instead of being a Captain Hindsight later on.

I think Bichette's best position is at second. I just don't see him as an elite defender at shortstop. But maybe he irons out the wrinkles over time. He wouldn't be he first and he strikes me as the type of guy who's going to work at it till he gets it right. One thing for sure he's really good at the plate.

As we know lots of players with can't miss potential have fizzled and not made it to the show or failed to live up to the hype once they got there. So parting with Austin Martin is a gamble for sure. But as you said the Jays are getting a known commodity for potential.

Personally I think this is the right move right now.

As it stands the Jays are 4.5 games behind Oakland and have to jump Seattle and my beloved Yankees. The funny thing is if you compare run differential between the three teams it's really quite an anomaly. The Mariners are a -58 and the Yankees are -6 while the Jays are a whopping + 97. Toronto are neck in neck with Tampa and far ahead of the Red Sox who are a +57. It just shows us that the Blue Jays targeted the right areas by obtaining Berrios and Hand. We know they can blow out teams. Now they have to prove they can win the low scoring close games as well. These moves should give them that. I would have liked to see them pick up a set up guy as well but maybe they figure they're good there.

As for the Yankees. I can't see them being a factor this year. They added two big bats but their pitching is highly suspect and between injuries and players under performing they haven't been very good at all. Realistically they are very fortunate to be where they are. I look at their huge payroll and am amazed at how ineffective highly paid stars like Stanton, Britton, Chapman and LeMahieu have been. Judge has been fairly good but game in and game out Gio Urshela has been their best and most consistent player both at the dish and in the field. And he's not the guy you look forward to leaning on to carry your team.

 

[shack]

I would have liked to see them pick up a set up guy as well but maybe they figure they're good there.

I think Romano is now the set up guy. And they already acquired Cimber and Richards. And they picked up another reliever today in Soria from the D'Backs, a 37 year old rightie with mediocre numbers.

Disappointing news is they DFA'd Tyler Chatwood, AKA the trainwreck.

 

[The Oracle]

I think Romano is now the set up guy. And they already acquired Cimber and Richards. And they picked up another reliever today in Soria from the D'Backs, a 37 year old rightie with mediocre numbers.

Disappointing news is they DFA'd Tyler Chatwood, AKA the trainwreck.

Chatwood's problem has always been his inability to throw strikes and it continued to be the same this year after a great start.

If Pete Walker can't straighten the ship then I would say it's time to cut bait.

Soria used to be lights out but that was some time ago. Still veteran presence cannot be over looked.

As an outsider I'm pretty impressed with Shapiro and Atkins.....They're slowly building a powerhouse here.

 

[shack]

Chatwood's problem has always been his inability to throw strikes and it continued to be the same this year after a great start.

It wasn't just that had trouble throwing strikes but he'd walk a guy on 4 pitches and the best pitch missed by 8 inches. Then the same with the next batter. It was seriously brutal.

 

[K Douglas]

I like the moves of getting a frontline starter and a proper closer. Hate to lose Austin Martin but he was expendable since we're pretty loaded in the infield. No matter what happens, our focus should be re signing Semien for next year and beyond.

 

[black booty lover]

They gave way two top prospects, this Berrios pitcher better be good. If you trade Marcus Semien, the chances of him returning are less than zero and you're not going to get a top level manager in the middle of the season.

Brad Hand eh, Reese McGuire must be happy...running and ducking incoming eggs.

Trade Marcus Semien???? lol

Why on Gods green earth would they do that? lol

 

[black booty lover]

I like the moves of getting a frontline starter and a proper closer. Hate to lose Austin Martin but he was expendable since we're pretty loaded in the infield. No matter what happens, our focus should be re signing Semien for next year and beyond.

Semien Woods Richardson might end up being the bigger piece they gave away.

 

[black booty lover]

They already have the proven Springer and Bichette who has shown that he already is a very, very good SS and still has lots of upside.

Bichette is far from a very, very good SS. At some point he'll need to pushed over to 2nd whether he likes or not. Next to Tatis he has more errors then anyone SS in baseball. Maybe they even try move him to 3rd in order not to hurt his feelings, depends on where they plan to put Jordan Groshans.

 

[shack]

Bichette is far from a very, very good SS. At some point he'll need to pushed over to 2nd whether he likes or not. Next to Tatis he has more errors then anyone SS in baseball. Maybe they even try move him to 3rd in order not to hurt his feelings, depends on where they plan to put Jordan Groshans.

He's an excellent SS offensively. Defensively, not so much, although I believe that most of his errors came in the 1st 2 months. He's been better since.

So, overall he is a very, very good SS.

 

[black booty lover]

True, but Berrios is only 27 and if they can hold on to him after next season he could give them 7 or 8 more quality years.

Oh I'm not saying it wasn't a good trade. I like the trade. Its apparent they feel the young core is ready, and they will add some more pieces in the off season. They will up their payroll by about 50-70 million a year. Most of the positioned will be filled for a while so by the time some of the key guys starting to hit FA, the next group of young talent will be ready.

 

[black booty lover]

He's an excellent SS offensively. Defensively, not so much, although I believe that most of his errors came in the 1st 2 months. He's been better since.

So, overall he is a very, very good SS.

SS isn't a position you let someone play because they put up good offense. Its a key defensive position. He made two more ridiculous errors in one game a few nights ago. The leash isn't that long for him to prove he can play that spot. Thus he's not a good SS.

 

[seagerbuzz]

He's an excellent SS offensively. Defensively, not so much, although I believe that most of his errors came in the 1st 2 months. He's been better since.

So, overall he is a very, very good SS.

Infielders are a dime a dozen in the Blue Jays farm system.

 

[seagerbuzz]

Semien Woods Richardson might end up being the bigger piece they gave away.

He's only 19. Time will tell.

 

[shack]

Infielders are a dime a dozen in the Blue Jays farm system.

In which case his offense is good enough that he'll be a very, very good (whatever position they put him in.)

 

[black booty lover]

He's only 19. Time will tell.

Of course, hence the word "might".

 

[Insidious Von]

It was a wonderful night.

Watching Blue Jays Nona throw that first pitch blazing fastball at Vlady warmed my heart unlike anything since the pandemic began. Also I'm happy that Vlady's nuts are safe from Carlos Santana's slaps.

The Mighty Sid was beaming Friday morning sitting in the broadcast booth, It's been a while since Jamie Kennedy threatened to punch him in the schnazz. Good news for Ben Wagner, Roger's is going with a dedicated radio broadcast, don't know who the colour man is.

Teoscar couldn't help but primp like John Shaft after he hit the first homer back home.