I lived West 45th between 9 & 10th avenue. It was Hell's kitchen but many prefer the softer name 'Clinton'. When I moved from Canada I thought the numbering system didn't have the colour of Toronto street names. However, with Avenues North to South and street numbers East to West , it is easy to find any address without the need of a map or GPS.
Toronto to rename Dundas Street
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Ugh, yeah. It’s just up on the escarpment. Dundas st in all small SW towns is the same Dundas street.
This is the right thing to do.
Just because it cost money, or will lead to more debates about other aspects of our colonial history doesn’t mean it’s not worth doing. We need to have those conversations as a society, we need to make things right where we can.
With the right political will, money can always be found. I don’t care that Tory found the will to do this as an election tactic, just that he found it. He ain’t getting re-elected anyways.
Street names are just the start. Schools, government buildings, and public spaces are next. I’m feeling like the decolonization of this nation is finally going in the right direction.
And guess what? Ain’t nothing you can do about it, so get used to it!
Just because it cost money, or will lead to more debates about other aspects of our colonial history doesn’t mean it’s not worth doing. We need to have those conversations as a society, we need to make things right where we can.
With the right political will, money can always be found. I don’t care that Tory found the will to do this as an election tactic, just that he found it. He ain’t getting re-elected anyways.
Street names are just the start. Schools, government buildings, and public spaces are next. I’m feeling like the decolonization of this nation is finally going in the right direction.
And guess what? Ain’t nothing you can do about it, so get used to it!
Renamed "Clinton" eh. It will always be "Hell's Kitchen" to some of us. Is that are being gentrified?
No need to go into details, I am or was very familiar with 42nd Street (the "Deuce") between 7th and 8th back in the 90's. It was a crazy time in my life.
I don't know the product as intimately as you do, but feel free to share it with the softies.
This reminds me of that waste of time and money on whether to call Beaches or Beach.
"The name of the community is the subject of a long-standing dispute. Some long-time local residents assert that "The Beach" is the proper historical name for the area, whereas others are of the view that "The Beaches" also has at least equal historical provenance and is additionally the more universally recognized neighbourhood name, particularly by non-residents. All government levels refer to the riding, or the ward in the case of the municipal government, as Beaches-East York.[8] As well, for research and information management purposes, the City of Toronto government officially categorizes the neighbourhood as "The Beaches".[9]
The former Beach Theatre, presently Beach Mall. A long-standing issue in the community has been the area's name, whether its proper name is "The Beach" or "The Beaches".
The dispute over the area's name reached a fever pitch in 1985, when the City of Toronto installed 14 street signs designating the neighbourhood as "The Beaches". The resulting controversy resulted in the eventual removal of the signs, although the municipal government continues to officially designate the area as "The Beaches".[1] In early 2006 the local Beaches Business Improvement Area voted to place "The Beach" on signs slated to appear on new lampposts over the summer, but local outcry caused them to rescind that decision.[10] The Beaches Business Improvement Area board subsequently held a poll (online, in person and by ballot) in April 2006 to determine whether the new street signs would be designated "The Beach" or "The Beaches", and 58% of participants selected "The Beach" as the name to appear on the signs."
In fact, the two names have been used to refer to the area since the first homes were built in the 19th century. In his book, Accidental City: The Transformation of Toronto, Robert Fulford, himself a former resident, wrote: "the historical argument for 'the Beaches' as a name turns out to be at least as strong as the historical argument for 'the Beach'". "Pluralists" hold that since the area had four distinct beach areas, using the singular term is illogical. Those preferring the singular term "Beach" hold that the term has historically referred to the area as the four distinct beach areas merged.[10]
"The name of the community is the subject of a long-standing dispute. Some long-time local residents assert that "The Beach" is the proper historical name for the area, whereas others are of the view that "The Beaches" also has at least equal historical provenance and is additionally the more universally recognized neighbourhood name, particularly by non-residents. All government levels refer to the riding, or the ward in the case of the municipal government, as Beaches-East York.[8] As well, for research and information management purposes, the City of Toronto government officially categorizes the neighbourhood as "The Beaches".[9]
The former Beach Theatre, presently Beach Mall. A long-standing issue in the community has been the area's name, whether its proper name is "The Beach" or "The Beaches".
The dispute over the area's name reached a fever pitch in 1985, when the City of Toronto installed 14 street signs designating the neighbourhood as "The Beaches". The resulting controversy resulted in the eventual removal of the signs, although the municipal government continues to officially designate the area as "The Beaches".[1] In early 2006 the local Beaches Business Improvement Area voted to place "The Beach" on signs slated to appear on new lampposts over the summer, but local outcry caused them to rescind that decision.[10] The Beaches Business Improvement Area board subsequently held a poll (online, in person and by ballot) in April 2006 to determine whether the new street signs would be designated "The Beach" or "The Beaches", and 58% of participants selected "The Beach" as the name to appear on the signs."
In fact, the two names have been used to refer to the area since the first homes were built in the 19th century. In his book, Accidental City: The Transformation of Toronto, Robert Fulford, himself a former resident, wrote: "the historical argument for 'the Beaches' as a name turns out to be at least as strong as the historical argument for 'the Beach'". "Pluralists" hold that since the area had four distinct beach areas, using the singular term is illogical. Those preferring the singular term "Beach" hold that the term has historically referred to the area as the four distinct beach areas merged.[10]
Why not put this on the ballot come next municipal election? Typical Canadian "democracy "; the citizenry almost never gets a voice in anything. Instead we let vandals and useless bureaucrats run our lives. Just pay, obey and shut the fuck up!
Back in 2011 or so, Rob Ford wanted to rename Yonge Dundas square after a person. A bunch of Clowncillors freaked out, lead by none other than Kristyn Wong-Tam. They said it would be too expensive and a waste of taxpayer's money. Apparently now these wokeaholics support changing the name of not only the square but the entire street, at any cost.
What about the town of Dundas ON? According to Wiki, "the location of Dundas was a prime location for hunting wildfowl, hence a "hunter's paradise" and was unofficially named Coote's Paradise. It was renamed Dundas in 1814. It was named after the Dundas military road (also known as Governor's Road) that passed through the village, the road in turn named after Scottish politician Henry Dundas who died in 1811."
What about the town of Dundas ON? According to Wiki, "the location of Dundas was a prime location for hunting wildfowl, hence a "hunter's paradise" and was unofficially named Coote's Paradise. It was renamed Dundas in 1814. It was named after the Dundas military road (also known as Governor's Road) that passed through the village, the road in turn named after Scottish politician Henry Dundas who died in 1811."
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What exactly is there to debate about our history? We know it happened and can't change it. How about we focus our energy and money to enact real, lasting and positive change in the lives of Native people? How about we get to the root cause of the social issues they face especially on the reserve? Sure, let's focus on street names far outside the reservation so some people don't feel guilty. Meanwhile, nothing actually changes.
Joseph Brant owned about 30 slaves.
So we are going to rename Brantford, the Joseph Brant hospital as well as the neighborhood of Tyandaga and the township and reserve of Tyendinaga [his Mohawk name]
You know because slavery is wrong. Oh right I forgot, slavery and genocide is perfectly alright when Indians do it.
Exhibit tells story of Mohawk chief’s slave
One of Burlington’s most famous early settlers, Mohawk Chief Joseph Brant, owned a kidnapped, black, slave girl and other human chattel.www.thestar.com
Nice find, I was not aware of this. I suspect the woke crowd will be silent on this. It would however be interesting to hear what the people hell bent on changing the name of Dundas Street have to say. Has anyone started a petition to change the name of Brantford? Too soon?
There's also a Brant street in Burlington. It runs right through downtown.
We gotta rename that one too. Heaven forbid we offend a few dozen people
Actually, there is no proud moment to be a COLONY of another nation / people from other country. There is nothing good in British Empire that you want to be proud of. The British exploited their colonized subjects as much as they could by dumping their products to their colonized citizens. Of course, the colonized subjects could not tariff the imported British dumping products otherwise they would be imprisoned or executed by the British Empire. The British extracted ANY valuable resources (people / materials / commodities / precious stones (diamonds and gold) / anything you name it) that you had in the colonized lands. The British TAXED their colonized subjects as much as they wanted that you could possible pay them.
The British Empire was an EVIL my friend. There is nothing to be proud to be IN the Commonwealth. The British created the Commonwealth in order to continue influencing their former colonized subjects / countries AFTER the British let go of them to have their freedom and independent from British Empire.
Again, LOOKING AT THE AMERICANs (lol), they even forgoes British sports such as cricket and rugby and created their own versions which are now baseball and football respectively. To boycotted British in taxing American people when buying imported British CHEESE, American people stopped buying British CHEESE and created their own version of CHEESE called AMERICAN CHEESE lol. They added yellow colour into the AMERICAN CHEESE to differentiate their AMERICAN CHEESE from the imported BRITISH CHEESE lol.
Mahatma Gandhi from India did the same in boycotting imported British textiles from Manchester. He woven his own threads to make his cloth and stopped buying imported British textiles.
Again, I hope you understand this fact and this makes sense to you.
There are over 50 street names Toronto has identified as being of potential concern and change including Jarvis, Russell, Churchill and others. Three have Brant in them as well. Perspectives change as time goes by and down the road there will generations who look with horror at what our generation did. Prediction it will be something about the way we treat animals. As a side note, UK is looking this week at banning the practice of boiling alive certain creatures of the sea, like lobster. Habits and perspective keep changing......
There are degrees of EVIL. For example, the Hong Kong Chinese cried at the leaving of the Brits in 1997. It's no fun being returned to the PRC. On the other hand, the Brits should return Northern Ireland back to Ireland.
67% in Republic favour united Ireland - poll (rte.ie)
There are many moments that British colonies and Commonwealth countries can and should be proud of. Choosing not to focus on them is truly sad. Perhaps you feel that the accomplishments of Banting and Best (discovers of insulin), William Osler (founder of the first medical residency programs) and countless others mean nothing because they were part of the Commonwealth?
The British empire certainly did many abhorrent things especially how it colonized places like Hong Kong. You can read for yourself of the insane lengths the British went to. On the hand, Hong Kong was a nothing more than a back-water before the British arrived. So I'd argue that the colonization (however illegal) was a net good for the people of Hong Kong.
I would much rather we spend the time and money fixing up our roads. Some are in really rough shape.
I remember this from a long time ago and back then it was just a meh for me.
Well colour me impressed. I am opposed to renaming stuff and tearing down statues [unless they are landscape dominating or just too many of them like most megalomaniac dictators do] However being able to apply the rules evenly when I didn't think they would. Noice.
As for Churchill. Yeah there are issues but he has such a huge entry in the win column that one could let it pass.
