Things about the election that don't smell right

Frankfooter

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Delegitimize Joe Biden with accusations of stealing the election. Keep up the drumbeat through Fox News and the right wing echo chamber. This way the 70 million army who voted for Trump stay angry and march to the polls to throw the communist Democrats out of the House and Senate in 2020. Joe Biden achieves nothing in 4 years and a Republican candidate, preferably the ultra-reactionary Tom Cotton, takes over the White House in 2024.

This is the GOP playbook and why Mitch McConnell is allowing his mad dogs Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, etc. to keep stoking the conspiracy flames. They know Trump lost but he got them 70 million voters, far more than any Republican presidential candidate in history. Trump is their hero and will continue to be so.
Exactly, Biden will try to play nice with the GOP but I expect once its clear that Mitch's graveyard has room for 4 more years of bills, it'll get more serious.
The question is whether they get the senate through the runoffs, which is unlikely, or whether they can just rule by EO until they can add some more states or make some bigger changes.
 
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mandrill

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Delegitimize Joe Biden with accusations of stealing the election. Keep up the drumbeat through Fox News and the right wing echo chamber. This way the 70 million army who voted for Trump stay angry and march to the polls to throw the communist Democrats out of the House and Senate in 2020. Joe Biden achieves nothing in 4 years and a Republican candidate, preferably the ultra-reactionary Tom Cotton, takes over the White House in 2024.

This is the GOP playbook and why Mitch McConnell is allowing his mad dogs Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, etc. to keep stoking the conspiracy flames. They know Trump lost but he got them 70 million voters, far more than any Republican presidential candidate in history. Trump is their hero and will continue to be so.
I doubt McConnell, Graham and Cruz would give Trump the time of day. All 3 are political whores.

They just want to stay ahead of the curve with the "next big issue" in fake GOP outrage and continue to be high visibility players.
 
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WyattEarp

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You are wrong. Only ballots post-marked on or before Nov. 3 were or will be counted. But nice try.
"The (Pennsylvania) court also wrote that ballots 'received within this period that lack a postmark or other proof of mailing, or for which the postmark or other proof of mailing is illegible, will be presumed to have been mailed by Election Day unless a preponderance of the evidence demonstrates that it was mailed after Election Day'."

Now a lack of a postmark is normally not a big deal, but with a three day extension beyond Nov. 3 it becomes a big deal.

As far as "nice try", the funny thing is I do all this without trying much at all. ;)
 

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"The (Pennsylvania) court also wrote that ballots 'received within this period that lack a postmark or other proof of mailing, or for which the postmark or other proof of mailing is illegible, will be presumed to have been mailed by Election Day unless a preponderance of the evidence demonstrates that it was mailed after Election Day'."

Now a lack of a postmark is normally not a big deal, but with a three day extension beyond Nov. 3 it becomes a big deal.

As far as "nice try", the funny thing is I do all this without trying much at all. ;)
So then if a ballot complies with an order of the court what is your objection. The GOP could have appealed and they probably have. Usually in the face of that kind of order ballots may have been segregated pending an appeal. How is that voter fraud.

Your attempts to parrot the soon to be trespasser in the WH in chief are getting increasingly desperate and silly. But nice try.
 

mandrill

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The interesting question is how long the GOP can keep it going. Not this one particular issue, but the endless internet-fueled parade of fake outrage.

It's a daily occurence on TERB, when the latest Andy Ngo pearl is shared with us together with the usual table-pounding. But eventually, it's going to get tedious, even for those who drink it in. Most of it is easily refuted and all but the most resistant are going to lose faith at some point. There will always be hard-core believers and suckers. But the other GOP stans will drift away sooner or later.

With the yokels who supported Trump in record numbers, the drift back to political indifference and inactivity will probably happen as soon as Donald shuffles off down the slippery ramp into his post political life. Arch huckster to the end, he managed to sell 4 years of worthless crap to people who would otherwise have used that time far more fruitfully switching price tags at WalMart and getting fancy hubcaps for the pick-up. If there's no "genius outsider" to "drain the swamp" and do battle with the evil child-molesting career politicians, why would they continue to watch the next episode?

Is Ted Cruz going to hold their attention? I doubt it. Nor any other career GOP sleazeball. That base voting block is going to fade away.
 

WyattEarp

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So then if a ballot complies with an order of the court what is your objection. The GOP could have appealed and they probably have. Usually in the face of that kind of order ballots may have been segregated pending an appeal. How is that voter fraud.

Your attempts to parrot the soon to be trespasser in the WH in chief are getting increasingly desperate and silly. But nice try.
You responded to me "You are wrong. Only ballots post-marked on or before Nov. 3 were or will be counted. But nice try."

I simply presented an official statement from State of Pennsylvania that disputes your point that postmarks are required in PA. In a political discussion, it's generally bad form to make dismissive statements unless you are absolutely sure of your point. It's compounding bad form, to not accept your point was negated by a fact and then try to move the thread exchange to another dismissive point.
 

Dutch Oven

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The interesting question is how long the GOP can keep it going. Not this one particular issue, but the endless internet-fueled parade of fake outrage.

It's a daily occurence on TERB, when the latest Andy Ngo pearl is shared with us together with the usual table-pounding. But eventually, it's going to get tedious, even for those who drink it in. Most of it is easily refuted and all but the most resistant are going to lose faith at some point. There will always be hard-core believers and suckers. But the other GOP stans will drift away sooner or later.

With the yokels who supported Trump in record numbers, the drift back to political indifference and inactivity will probably happen as soon as Donald shuffles off down the slippery ramp into his post political life. Arch huckster to the end, he managed to sell 4 years of worthless crap to people who would otherwise have used that time far more fruitfully switching price tags at WalMart and getting fancy hubcaps for the pick-up. If there's no "genius outsider" to "drain the swamp" and do battle with the evil child-molesting career politicians, why would they continue to watch the next episode?

Is Ted Cruz going to hold their attention? I doubt it. Nor any other career GOP sleazeball. That base voting block is going to fade away.
People like you didn't see Trump coming in 2016, and thought the 2020 polls were right, so maybe it's time for you to have slightly less confidence in your predictive powers. Your fantasy that all Trump supporters aren't as smart as you is, to put it mildly, without foundation in reality.
 
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Dutch Oven

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You responded to me "You are wrong. Only ballots post-marked on or before Nov. 3 were or will be counted. But nice try."

I simply presented an official statement from State of Pennsylvania that disputes your point that postmarks are required in PA. In a political discussion, it's generally bad form to make dismissive statements unless you are absolutely sure of your point. It's compounding bad form, to not accept your point was negated by a fact and then try to move the thread exchange to another dismissive point.
It's impossible for we outsiders to know what difference any of these issues really made or will make to the final vote totals, but people who are dismissive of the disdain that the Pennsylvania Governor and Pennsylvania court have showed for the Consitution are sowing the seeds of division, not unifying the electorate. These people are more provably divisive than they could ever show Trump to be. I guess they're not listening to their puppet leader Joe.
 
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danmand

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Your fantasy that all Trump supporters aren't as smart as you is, to put it mildly, without foundation in reality.
I think on average he is correct.
 

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The interesting question is how long the GOP can keep it going. Not this one particular issue, but the endless internet-fueled parade of fake outrage.

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Is Ted Cruz going to hold their attention? I doubt it. Nor any other career GOP sleazeball. That base voting block is going to fade away.
It is a real unknown.
Can Trumpism survive without Trump? Is there someone out there to grab this group of disaffected voters and activate them?
I think someone can, but I don't think it is as easy as parroting Trump's style and I'm not sure if that group stays GOP or fractures off into something else as some of the old guard fights back.
A USA with a system that wasn't so skewed to force people into two parties would be an interesting thing to see play out. As it is, it will play out in primaries and lower level fights and be less visible.
 

mandrill

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People like you didn't see Trump coming in 2016, and thought the 2020 polls were right, so maybe it's time for you to have slightly less confidence in your predictive powers. Your fantasy that all Trump supporters aren't as smart as you is, to put it mildly, without foundation in reality.
Judging by you and your buddy Wyatt, I'm still pretty confident thanks.
 

Dutch Oven

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Judging by you and your buddy Wyatt, I'm still pretty confident thanks.
Well, at least I knew the polls were wrong. Doesn't make me right about everything, but puts me one ahead of you.
 
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Dutch Oven

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Add me to that list.
Frank, even if you had not volunteered yourself, you were a lock as a write-in candidate. I would pit the rationality of ANYONE walking around in Walmart against your own.
 

Fun For All

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Well, at least I knew the polls were wrong. Doesn't make me right about everything, but puts me one ahead of you.
As we move on it doesn’t look like the polls were as wrong as they appeared to be on Election Day...with votes still be counted Biden could be ahead on the popular vote by 4 points, he’s in the midst of flipping 5 states to blue, could have 306 electoral votes...
 
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As we move on it doesn’t look like the polls were as wrong as they appeared to be on Election Day...with votes still be counted Biden could be ahead on the popular vote by 4 points, he’s in the midst of flipping 5 states to blue, could have 306 electoral votes...
The popular vote falls far short of national polling numbers and the state by state polls were even further off (one poll had Trump trailing in Wisconsin by 17! - he lost by 1). And the polls were only ever wrong in one direction - in favour of Biden.

Even Democrats, in victory, are scratching their heads about how the polls could have been so wrong.
 
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